The gnat-strainer prize.

[_brade]

I'm willing to pay you exactly what God paid Joseph Smith to translate the book. You're still weaseling out of the proposal. Joseph Smith didn't pose any conditions to translating the book; he just got to work and did it. To make an equal document, I would expect the same from you. Martin Harris didn't pay Joseph any wages; he just paid for publication of the book. By the way: if you truly want to shut me up, you mentioned in a previous post that you'd already written a 3,000 word story, which, if extrapolated over a year's time, would equal the Book of Mormon. Know what? I think you're lying. I don't think you wrote a 3,000 word story. If you did, post it here within 24 hours, and I will, truly, offer my apologies and drop this issue. Until I see that story, I still accuse you of neither putting up nor shutting up re: The Book of Mormon. 24 hours, from my clock, 12:25 PM, Thursday. Let's see your story. (And I expect it to be as detailed, verifiable, and fast-paced as the first 3,000 words of 1 Nephi.) And, yes, verifiiable; ever read Nibley's "Lehi in the Desert"?

I still haven't seen you address the Koran challenge or any of the other texts. Why are you ignoring that stuff?

[_Drifting]

Martin Harris didn't pay Joseph any wages; he just paid for publication of the book.

When are you gonna stop making stuff up?

Smith convinced Harris that he had the plates, and that the angel had told him to "quit the company of the money-diggers" (Tiffany 1859, p. 169). Convinced, Harris immediately gave Smith $50 (Smith 1853, p. 113; Roberts 1902, p. 19), and committed to sponsor the translation of the plates (Smith 1853, p. 113).
The money provided by Harris was enough to pay all of Smith's debts in Palmyra, and for him to travel with his new bride Emma and all of their belongings to Harmony Township, Pennsylvania...

[_Runtu]

I'm willing to pay you exactly what God paid Joseph Smith to translate the book. You're still weaseling out of the proposal.

That's not a bad proposition, as Joseph Smith got "paid" in power, money, property, and sex. If I had seven years, as Joseph did, I could come up with an anachronistic book written in a crappy imitation of Jacobean English that mixes the Bible with Mound Builder myths. It's not that hard.

[_logjamislds]

You know, you almost got me to apologize. Almost. Then I came across the part in your story about how his father, around 452 A.D. had died of "syphilus". Syphilus was an unknown disease in the Middle East until the return of Columbus from the New World; therefore, your story is hung up by an anachronism of about 1,000 years. Nice try. (See Wickipedia: Syphilus, history, for a resource.) You still owe me a legitimate challenge to the Book of Mormon.

[_Buffalo]

You know, you almost got me to apologize. Almost. Then I came across the part in your story about how his father, around 452 A.D. had died of "syphilus". Syphilus was an unknown disease in the Middle East until the return of Columbus from the New World; therefore, your story is hung up by an anachronism of about 1,000 years. Nice try. (See Wickipedia: Syphilus, history, for a resource.) You still owe me a legitimate challenge to the Book of Mormon.

That just goes to show he succeed in creating a Book of Mormon-like document. There are few books more riddled with anachronisms than the Book of Mormon.

In any case, just think of "syphilis" as a loan shift word. The original word was gonorrhea.

[_schreech]

You know, you almost got me to apologize. Almost. Then I came across the part in your story about how his father, around 452 A.D. had died of "syphilus". Syphilus was an unknown disease in the Middle East until the return of Columbus from the New World; therefore, your story is hung up by an anachronism of about 1,000 years. Nice try. (See Wickipedia: Syphilus, history, for a resource.) You still owe me a legitimate challenge to the Book of Mormon.

Lol - and the gnat-strainer prize goes to....Nobody really expected a pseudo-apologist to apologize anyway but thanks for confirming your lack of integrity.

Also, as part of this challenge, it seems that DJ should be able to make some edits/corrections to make it consistent with the productions of the Book of Mormon. Right?

[_Themis]

I'm willing to pay you exactly what God paid Joseph Smith to translate the book. You're still weaseling out of the proposal.

That's not a bad proposition, as Joseph Smith got "paid" in power, money, property, and sex. If I had seven years, as Joseph did, I could come up with an anachronistic book written in a crappy imitation of Jacobean English that mixes the Bible with Mound Builder myths. It's not that hard.

He hides behind the fact that you don't have the desire or dishonesty to take the time to do it so he can continue yelling at people. Not to mention he ignores most of what others have said.

[_SteelHead]

You know, you almost got me to apologize. Almost. Then I came across the part in your story about how his father, around 452 A.D. had died of "syphilus". Syphilus was an unknown disease in the Middle East until the return of Columbus from the New World; therefore, your story is hung up by an anachronism of about 1,000 years. Nice try. (See Wickipedia: Syphilus, history, for a resource.) You still owe me a legitimate challenge to the Book of Mormon.

And yet you accept the 20 some odd glaring anachronisms in the Book of Mormon?

Wow, just wow.

[Guest]

You know, you almost got me to apologize. Almost. Then I came across the part in your story about how his father, around 452 A.D. had died of "syphilus". Syphilus was an unknown disease in the Middle East until the return of Columbus from the New World; therefore, your story is hung up by an anachronism of about 1,000 years. Nice try. (See Wickipedia: Syphilus, history, for a resource.) You still owe me a legitimate challenge to the Book of Mormon.

Oh, so you mean glaring anachronisms make the story unbelievable?

But surely you weren't thrown off because I talked about animals in the new land they discovered that were not in fact native to Australia?

[_Darth J]

I'm willing to pay you exactly what God paid Joseph Smith to translate the book. You're still weaseling out of the proposal. Joseph Smith didn't pose any conditions to translating the book; he just got to work and did it. To make an equal document, I would expect the same from you. Martin Harris didn't pay Joseph any wages; he just paid for publication of the book. By the way: if you truly want to shut me up, you mentioned in a previous post that you'd already written a 3,000 word story, which, if extrapolated over a year's time, would equal the Book of Mormon. Know what? I think you're lying. I don't think you wrote a 3,000 word story. If you did, post it here within 24 hours, and I will, truly, offer my apologies and drop this issue. Until I see that story, I still accuse you of neither putting up nor shutting up re: The Book of Mormon. 24 hours, from my clock, 12:25 PM, Thursday. Let's see your story. (And I expect it to be as detailed, verifiable, and fast-paced as the first 3,000 words of 1 Nephi.) And, yes, verifiiable; ever read Nibley's "Lehi in the Desert"?

Oh, look: when the bluff has been called, more and more conditions are added---conditions that the Book of Mormon itself doesn't have.

Yes, I have read the crank, ad hoc theories that Hugh Nibley prattles on about. Like the rest of Mormon apologetics, he shoots an arrow and then paints a target around where the arrow landed.

Since you now claim that the Book of Mormon is verifiable, that suggests that you are taking my alternative counter-challenge. What's the Nephite artifact that you will be showing us?