The LDS Church is NOT the only "True" church!

[_SteelHead]

When a man begins to find fault, inquiring in regard to this, that, and the other, saying, “Does this or that look as though the Lord dictated it?” you may know that that person has more or less of the spirit of apostasy. Every man in this Kingdom, or upon the face of the earth, who is seeking with all his heart to save himself, has as much to do as he can conveniently attend to, without calling in question that which does not belong to him. [see the above Joseph Smith quote on the economy of god regarding revelation] If he succeeds in saving himself, it has well occupied his time and attention. See to it that you are right yourselves; see that sins and folly do not manifest themselves with the rising sun(DBY, 83).

(In regards to BY's teachings about blacks and the priesthood) It is perfectly clear that BY is off his nut. That's all that is clear. The whole thing is garbage and should just be dismissed by any Mormon. There is no reason a Mormon should explain it any further than that.

Tobin, you are not arguing with me. You re arguing with Brigham about doctrines taught by Brigham. By his measure you are apostate. As he was the prophet, seer and revelator and was given keys to the presidency and to this dispensation, and you are Joe Blow off of the internet, who will members listen to?

[Guest]

Tobin, you are not arguing with me. You re arguing with Brigham about doctrines taught by Brigham. By his measure you are apostate. As he was the prophet, seer and revelator and was given keys to the presidency and to this dispensation, and you are Joe Blow off of the internet, who will members listen to?

And I could care less. BY isn't my judge, the Lord God is. Follow God and stop putting men before God.

[_SteelHead]

Tobin, you are not arguing with me. You re arguing with Brigham about doctrines taught by Brigham. By his measure you are apostate. As he was the prophet, seer and revelator and was given keys to the presidency and to this dispensation, and you are Joe Blow off of the internet, who will members listen to?

And I could careless. BY isn't my judge, the Lord God is. Follow God and stop putting men before God.

I do follow god. Exu says you are all off your nut.

[_RockSlider]

However, the Lord is still guiding the Church as it fulfills so many of His purposes for mankind.

Jo, thank you for your honest answers. I've only partly paid attention to your posts, because of the pain it reminds me of. I only asked because I wondered if your experience is close to that which I once had, and it indeed sounds like it is.

In some ways I still marvel at my friend Hyrum Andrus, whom also, after much persecution by those in charge still held to your quoted thought above. My experience has been different.

I remember consuming all that I could find that man had printed, and then learning and growing in personal revelation seeking for even more. I learned of personal revelation to some degree of success as well. And then the day that the heavens turned to brass, and the two years of silence festered into a deep wound into my soul.

This I do believe, if a man/woman is to seek for their calling and election, to come to know the Mysteries of Godliness, the Church of Jesus Christ holds no special keys, rights or ownership and in fact have apostatized far from it.

Jo I hope you are never hurt, like I was with all of this. Seeking the mysteries of God is a dangerous path.

Jo, might I ask your age?

[_Franktalk]

I do follow god. Exu says you are all off your nut.

I do hope that you and Exu have a great relationship. I am sure you love Exu and wish to have Exu judge you. And of course Exu supplies to your spiritual needs. So tell me what Exu has told you concerning the Commandments of Exu? Could you list some for me? What does Exu look like? A golden calf by chance? A wooden head with big eyes? Maybe this?

[_SteelHead]

[_Franktalk]

I remember consuming all that I could find that man had printed, and then learning and growing in personal revelation seeking for even more. I learned of personal revelation to some degree of success as well. And then the day that the heavens turned to brass, and the two years of silence festered into a deep wound into my soul.

The heavens and God closed to me as well. I guess it was about two years. I still remember asking God for answers and none came. My faith never failed me and I told God I was thankful for what He had already given me and I could wait until death. But the Holy Ghost came back in scriptural discernment and other gifts. We are all different.

[_Franktalk]

SteelHead,

So you worship a black man in a dress?

[_SteelHead]

Frank,
you worship a mostly naked zombie ripped from a cross?

[_RockSlider]

My faith never failed me and I told God I was thankful for what He had already given me and I could wait until death.

Read the Lectures on Faith sometime to understand the type of faith required to move mountains, and I assume come to an understanding of the mysteries of God. It is not a passive faith. It was also my understanding that one's calling and election needed to be achieved, in the mortal time frame. And I never said the heavens remained brass to me. I don't think this experience is much different for those that go through it.