Science proves life after death

[_Themis]

With consciousness, "desire" is the only justification needed for creation. There is no cosmic rule that says, "you must have your beliefs justified to work" beyond wanting it.

No one is talking about any cosmic rule. Justification of a belief is juts about whether it is supported by evidence or not. People can believe what ever they like, but those who make sure any beliefs they have are supported by the evidence will do much better then those who don't. Don't confuse that with people who have an idea and work to see if they can prove the idea.

Religion of old, and perhaps modern, is our subconscious trying to talk to us. All the stories of gods, sons of gods, goddesses killing their sons, daughters killing their fathers, etc, is all part of our subconsciousness trying to communicate to us the nature of life force. The madness that gives us life would never suit modern civilization.

By believing something, whether true or not, we give our mind a psychic outlet of confused and twisted energy.

This is just unsupported beliefs, and you provide no way you can go about supporting them.

[_LittleNipper]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... d-nations/

[_SPG]

No one is talking about any cosmic rule. Justification of a belief is juts about whether it is supported by evidence or not. People can believe what ever they like, but those who make sure any beliefs they have are supported by the evidence will do much better then those who don't. Don't confuse that with people who have an idea and work to see if they can prove the idea.

Justifying a belief is sort of like justifying a justification. Belief is justification. Of course we are always adding "Justification" to our belief. A belief without any justification is a belief without any belief.

But justification can come in any number of ways. I can believe something by pure determination, even if it isn't true.

Your version of justification I think depends on facts, (socially accepted truths.) Like, you might believe you could do some hard tasks, but first you would research it and make sure that other people had done it. Then you compare yourself to them and ask yourself if you are a enough like them to do what they did.

The mind doesn't need a lot of justification to act. I can imagine that a lion is chasing me and my heart will beat faster. I can imagine that a noise I heard is the devil and I will get a shiver down my spine.

Of course, there is a science to how the faith works with the mind. Just because I imagine I can fly doesn't mean that I can actually fly, at least without some aid.

But my point is, the universe reacts to our beliefs, regardless of whether they are justified by the social standard. The universe doesn't react to us because we are right, it reacts because we believe.

[_Themis]

No one is talking about any cosmic rule. Justification of a belief is juts about whether it is supported by evidence or not. People can believe what ever they like, but those who make sure any beliefs they have are supported by the evidence will do much better then those who don't. Don't confuse that with people who have an idea and work to see if they can prove the idea.

Justifying a belief is sort of like justifying a justification. Belief is justification. Of course we are always adding "Justification" to our belief. A belief without any justification is a belief without any belief.

But justification can come in any number of ways. I can believe something by pure determination, even if it isn't true.

Your version of justification I think depends on facts, (socially accepted truths.) Like, you might believe you could do some hard tasks, but first you would research it and make sure that other people had done it. Then you compare yourself to them and ask yourself if you are a enough like them to do what they did.

The mind doesn't need a lot of justification to act. I can imagine that a lion is chasing me and my heart will beat faster. I can imagine that a noise I heard is the devil and I will get a shiver down my spine.

Of course, there is a science to how the faith works with the mind. Just because I imagine I can fly doesn't mean that I can actually fly, at least without some aid.

But my point is, the universe reacts to our beliefs, regardless of whether they are justified by the social standard. The universe doesn't react to us because we are right, it reacts because we believe.

We can ignore the word justification since it seems to be tripping you up. It s not wise to believe things in which you do not have sufficient evidence for. Now don't confuse that to mean one will not pursue possibilities that we can imagine. Many things lack evidence because we haven't collected it yet. The universe doesn't react to anything you do or believe. It won't make the impossible possible because you want to believe it is possible.

[_SPG]

We can ignore the word justification since it seems to be tripping you up. It s not wise to believe things in which you do not have sufficient evidence for. Now don't confuse that to mean one will not pursue possibilities that we can imagine. Many things lack evidence because we haven't collected it yet. The universe doesn't react to anything you do or believe. It won't make the impossible possible because you want to believe it is possible.

Of course, I'm just the disagreeable type but. . . you are wrong.

The universe is complex. If I am in the middle of the desert and need water, just by imaging water in my hand, the universe begins to provide. In one sense, I am separate from the universe, but in another sense, one with it. The "who" of who I am gets deeper and deeper. At some point, I am the universe. In a sense, my reaching in an icebox for a water is the universe reacting. The more a desire expresses, the more manifestation that follows it.

Maybe I don't have a icebox, so up my phone to call someone to bring me water, or I decided to run for president, dig a canal to that place so no one will never be without water there again.

By simply imaging a thing, a thin spiritual path is created. Maybe that path manifests in a few seconds, or takes a few generation, but the universe does respond to the desire. Many "success" gurus teach that imagination is the most power thing we have. One man tells the story, that he put together his "inspiration kit" using a picture of his dream home from a magazine. 20 years later, having forgot about it, began crying when he found the picture in a box. He had purchased that very house a year ago without realizing it was the exact one in his picture.

My point in this thread is that the expression of life is deeper then the conscious mind and that the subconscious is extremely powerful, enough to hold entire personalities and identities belong the conscious surface. And. . . that the subconscious is connected to much more than we consciously know and that universe does indeed respond to us.

[_Quasimodo]

We can ignore the word justification since it seems to be tripping you up. It s not wise to believe things in which you do not have sufficient evidence for. Now don't confuse that to mean one will not pursue possibilities that we can imagine. Many things lack evidence because we haven't collected it yet. The universe doesn't react to anything you do or believe. It won't make the impossible possible because you want to believe it is possible.

Of course, I'm just the disagreeable type but. . . you are wrong.

The universe is complex. If I am in the middle of the desert and need water, just by imaging water in my hand, the universe begins to provide. In one sense, I am separate from the universe, but in another sense, one with it. The "who" of who I am gets deeper and deeper. At some point, I am the universe. In a sense, my reaching in an icebox for a water is the universe reacting. The more a desire expresses, the more manifestation that follows it.

Maybe I don't have a icebox, so up my phone to call someone to bring me water, or I decided to run for president, dig a canal to that place so no one will never be without water there again.

By simply imaging a thing, a thin spiritual path is created. Maybe that path manifests in a few seconds, or takes a few generation, but the universe does respond to the desire. Many "success" gurus teach that imagination is the most power thing we have. One man tells the story, that he put together his "inspiration kit" using a picture of his dream home from a magazine. 20 years later, having forgot about it, began crying when he found the picture in a box. He had purchased that very house a year ago without realizing it was the exact one in his picture.

My point in this thread is that the expression of life is deeper then the conscious mind and that the subconscious is extremely powerful, enough to hold entire personalities and identities belong the conscious surface. And. . . that the subconscious is connected to much more than we consciously know and that universe does indeed respond to us.

[_SPG]

At least you in touch with the force, many have lost faith.

[_Quasimodo]

At least you in touch with the force, many have lost faith.

I don't blame them.

[_Themis]

Of course, I'm just the disagreeable type but. . . you are wrong.

The universe is complex. If I am in the middle of the desert and need water, just by imaging water in my hand, the universe begins to provide.

No you are wrong. People die every year in deserts of the world all probably imagining water in their hand. The universe didn't provide.

[_SPG]

No you are wrong. People die every year in deserts of the world all probably imagining water in their hand. The universe didn't provide.

I said "begins to provide." Yes people die. People are killed. People starve. People thirst.

But without imagining a solution, nothing works in your favor.

For example: Two people could be standing in desert, challenged by the same things. But one might use his imagination to get water, while the other uses his imagination to panic, or despair.

Depending upon the amount of faith, the amount of preparation, and other things, the universe might provide for one and not the other. Yes, faith has everything to do with it. I'm not implying, (exactly) that rain will begin to fall. But sometimes people get impressions that loved ones need help. Sometimes people get impressions to turn left instead of right, thus coincidentally providing aid.

The universe works through channels. Some channels are strong, some are weak. But like I said, what if one person had a SAT phone? This is a powerful channel to provide help through. But if someone is crippled, 100 milles from anywhere, and no one is looking for them, I'm guessing their will die.

But. . . the point is, we create channels with our effort and our faith. We work though existing means so when we are in trouble, we can call upon those channels for help. Very often, when we find a person that died from exposure, we intentionally create safety channels so that the next person in need will be OK. But, that dead person's need doesn't go entirely unanswered. Help doesn't always come fast enough but often comes.

Imagination is energy, which causes change. Perhaps the change was small, or maybe it changed the world, but something moves.