God's Promise to Send Elijah before the Second Coming

[_gdemetz]

Themis and you are both wrong. Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean that they don't know it. Your logic is faulty, and it reminds me of those constant critics who would always say that Joseph didn't know that Christ was born in Bethlehem because look at what he wrote in the Book of Mormon about Him being born at Jerusalem. However, when some additional writings were discovered which bore out the legal accuracy of that statement, then those critics had to shut up! The same thing will happen to these critics!

[_Buffalo]

Themis and you are both wrong. Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean that they don't know it. Your logic is faulty, and it reminds me of those constant critics who would always say that Joseph didn't know that Christ was born in Bethlehem because look at what he wrote in the Book of Mormon about Him being born at Jerusalem. However, when some additional writings were discovered which bore out the legal accuracy of that statement, then those critics had to shut up! The same thing will happen to these critics!

He also made the same mistake about Isaiah - he thought that Ezias was a different person. But Ezias is just the Greek version of Isaiah.

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Ezias

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[_Themis]

Themis and you are both wrong. Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean that they don't know it. Your logic is faulty, and it reminds me of those constant critics who would always say that Joseph didn't know that Christ was born in Bethlehem because look at what he wrote in the Book of Mormon about Him being born at Jerusalem. However, when some additional writings were discovered which bore out the legal accuracy of that statement, then those critics had to shut up! The same thing will happen to these critics!

You will find few critics who bring up the Bethlehem thing. I just look at the facts. They are one and the same person and Joseph got it wrong. It's understandable that he would as probably have others for the same reasons Joseph did. Joseph's problem is he got it wrong while claiming some grand revelations. I would have to look it up, and could be wrong, but I think he learned later that they were one and the same but went with it since correcting himself would be disastrous. Again none of this is surprising for someone who is making it their religion. When I look at all the evidences it becomes to clear and remaining a believer becomes impossible especially since the spirit/HG is more likely just our own bodies.

[_ludwigm]

He also made the same mistake about Isaiah - he thought that Ezias was a different person. But Ezias is just the Greek version of Isaiah.

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Ezias

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Really. Isaiah is Esaias...

[_Tobin]

He also made the same mistake about Isaiah - he thought that Ezias was a different person. But Ezias is just the Greek version of Isaiah.

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Ezias

Oops!

Oops!

Really. Isaiah is Esaias...

Wow, now there is some shockingly bad misinformation. Ezias (Ozias or Uzziah) is also a Hebrew name (עֻזִּיָּהוּ‎‎) meaning 'God is Strength'. That just isn't true in Luke because Luke was Greek and the Gospel of Luke was written in Greek. Buffalo has his facts mixed up and doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.

[_Buffalo]

Wow, now there is some shockingly bad misinformation. Ezias (Ozias or Uzziah) is also a Hebrew name (עֻזִּיָּהוּ‎‎) meaning 'God is Strength'. That just isn't true in Luke because Luke was Greek and the Gospel of Luke was written in Greek. Buffalo has his facts mixed up and doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.

Ezias is just Cowdery's phonetic misspelling of Esaias. They didn't correct it because it's not in their interests to do so - it would create a problem similar to the Elias/Elijah issue.

[_Tobin]

Wow, now there is some shockingly bad misinformation. Ezias (Ozias or Uzziah) is also a Hebrew name (עֻזִּיָּהוּ‎‎) meaning 'God is Strength'. That just isn't true in Luke because Luke was Greek and the Gospel of Luke was written in Greek. Buffalo has his facts mixed up and doesn't know what he's talking about as usual.

Ezias is just Cowdery's phonetic misspelling of Esaias. They didn't correct it because it's not in their interests to do so - it would create a problem similar to the Elias/Elijah issue.

Oh really? And how do you know Ezias is a misspelling? Ezias is used in the KJV of the Book of Judith and 1 Edras. Are you claiming those are misspellings as well?

[_Buffalo]

Oh really? And how do you know Ezias is a misspelling? Ezias is used in the KJV of the Book of Judith and 1 Edras. Are you claiming those are misspellings as well?

Ezias is a phonetic match for Esaias. The Book of Mormon is full of interesting phonetic spelling. It's the closest match.

Direct quotes for your claim, please.

[_Tobin]

Oh really? And how do you know Ezias is a misspelling? Ezias is used in the KJV of the Book of Judith and 1 Edras. Are you claiming those are misspellings as well?

Ezias is a phonetic match for Esaias. The Book of Mormon is full of interesting phonetic spelling. It's the closest match.
Direct quotes for your claim, please.

KJV 1 Edras 8:2 The son of Sadduc, the son of Achitob, the son of Amarias, the son of Ezias, the son of Meremoth, the son of Zaraias, the son of Savias, the son of Boccas, the son of Abisum, the son of Phinees, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the chief priest.

[_madeleine]

Madeleine, thanks for seeing what I was saying. Of course, I know that Elias is the Greek form for Elijah. Joseph Smith knew that also.

It doesn't really matter to me that he knew it or not. Either way, you should understand in my view, he is a false prophet.

Ludwig, thanks for the good Bible dictionary quote too. Don't get me wrong, I love Martin Luther. He was a great man! However, even he admitted he was not a prophet. In his own words:

"I do not say that I am a prophet. I simply say that they will have to be afraid of this as long as they scorn me and heed themselves... If I am not a prophet, at least I am sure of this, that the word of God is with me, and not with them, for I have the scriptures on my side while they have only their own teachings...But do I preach a new doctrine? No, I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it--the bishops and scholars."

I praise you Martin Luther for the courage you showed in standing up to the Catholic church for the cause of right!

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