Elias, or in other words - I've changed the title...

[_ludwigm]

Catholicism

Catholic Church

OP

about Elias, if I my ask...

[_gdemetz]

You are absolutely wrong Ludwigm! If Elias only meant Elijah, then why did Jesus refer to John the Baptist as that?! What you state does not make sense! John the Baptist was not Elias nor was he Elijah!!!

[_ludwigm]

You are absolutely wrong Ludwigm! If Elias only meant Elijah, then why did Jesus refer to John the Baptist as that?! What you state does not make sense! John the Baptist was not Elias nor was he Elijah!!!

Please qoute me Jesus' words!

The original ones, please, not the English (c) KJV ones...


I am liberal, You may use the Aramaic dialect You want, as:
Old Aramaic (1100 BCE–200 CE), including:
The Biblical Aramaic of the Hebrew Bible
The Aramaic of Jesus (this would be most useful, You know)
Middle Aramaic (200–1200), including:
Literary Syriac
The Aramaic of the Talmuds, Targumim, and Midrashim
Mandaic
Modern Aramaic (1200–present), including:
Various modern vernaculars

As an expert in links and references, You should put the video recording of the original event to youtube. It would be really demonstrative.



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by the way

Who is Elijah in Cebuano?

[_gdemetz]

Ludwigm, I am beginning to believe that you are educated, but still dumb! Even if you say that it meant Elijah, was John the Baptist Elijah?! Of course not!! So, obviously, no matter how it is translated, IT HAD ANOTHER MEANING SINCE IT WAS A DIFFERENT NAME THAN THE PERSON THAT IT WAS USED TO REPRESENT!!!

[_ludwigm]

Even if you say that it meant Elijah, was John the Baptist Elijah?! Of course not!!

Please say this to Joseph Smith...

[ quote of the OP]

John the Baptist was on the Mount of Transfiguration. (compare Mark 9:4)
And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses or in other words, John the Baptist and Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

This is a complex sentence, do You understand it?
This verse was written by Your master, prophet, seer, revelator and translator.
What does this verse mean? What does "in other words" mean?
[ end quote of the OP]

blah blah Elias, blah blah John the Baptist, blah blah Elijah

Elijah (play /ɨˈlaɪdʒə/; also Elias /ɨˈlaɪ.əs/; Hebrew: אֱלִיָּהוּ, Eliyahu, meaning "Yahweh is my God"; Arabic:إلياس, Ilyās), was a prophet in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reign of Ahab (9th century BC), according to the Books of Kings.

Elias (ēlī'əs), Greek form of Elijah.

Joseph Smith, in whose time and place the King James Version was the only available English translation of the Bible, simply failed to grasp the fact that the Elijah of the Old Testament and the Elias of the New are one and the same person. Latter-day Saints deny this and say that the difference they make between the two is deliberate and prophetic.

Ludwigm, I am beginning to believe that you are educated, but still dumb!

Vituperation is the ultimate harbour of the despaired apologists.

I don't put You to the ignore list, because I like clowns. Especially sad ones.


In point of fact, I like You, gdemetz! Without You, the world were incomplete.



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by the way

Who is Elijah in Cebuano?

[_gdemetz]

Ludwigm, you can argue forever if you like, but whether you know it or not, my point has been made. Joseph Smith knew that the title could refer to more than one person!!!

"Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, AND ALSO OF ANOTHER..."

From one name, it referred to more than one person! I'm sorry if you can't understand that. Perhaps if you have a friend who is very good in English, he can explain to you what I mean.

[_ludwigm]

Ludwigm, you can argue forever if you like, but whether you know it or not, my point has been made. Joseph Smith knew that the title could refer to more than one person!!!

That title simply doesn't exists outside of English and KJV.
In German - for example - there is no person, title, nametitle or whatever called Elias.
Neither in most of the languages.

Perhaps if you have a friend who is very good in English, he can explain to you what I mean.

Perhaps if you have a friend who is very good in any Non-English language - or at least know something - , he can explain to you what I mean.


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Please qoute me Jesus' words!
The original ones, please, not the English (c) KJV ones...

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Who is Elijah in Cebuano?

[_gdemetz]

No, that name originated well before there was a KJV of the Bible. It't origins are from the Hebrew (see Elias - Wikipedia). Also, there was an Elias who who was a religious leader in the 8th century AD. Of course, the Hebrew origin is not spelled like the English. It is spelled in the Hebrew as Eliyahu, but in English it is Elias. There was an old prophet called Eliyahu (Elias) who appeared to Joseph Smith, but, unfortunately, not much is known of him. Some have said that this was just another name for Noah, but there is no proof of that.

[_ludwigm]

No, that name originated well before there was a KJV of the Bible. It't origins are from the Hebrew (see Elias - Wikipedia).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias says:

Elias (/ɨˈlaɪ.əs/) is the Latin transliteration of the Greek name Ἠλίας, which in turn is the Hellenized form of the Hebrew: אליהו, Eliyahu, meaning "Yahweh is my God".[1] Another form of Eliyahu in English is Elijah.

That is, Elias and Elijah are different forms of the same name, the same person.

Also, there was an Elias who who was a religious leader in the 8th century AD.

CFR
(This abbreviation stands for Call For References. I am certain You, as an expert of links and references know this.)
This means please quote something about that religious leader in the 8th century AD...

Of course, the Hebrew origin is not spelled like the English. It is spelled in the Hebrew as Eliyahu, but in English it is Elias.

In English Eliyahu is Elijah - in Mormonism.
Unfortunately, in English - especially in KJV English - Elijah and Elias seems to be a different person. Masterly trap for Joseph Smith, developed by KJV translators.

There was an old prophet called Eliyahu (Elias) who appeared to Joseph Smith, but, unfortunately, not much is known of him.

Another old prophet?
Is the 8th century AD so rich in unknown prophets called Elias?
Not much is known of them (unfortunately...)? What for the prophets, seers and revelators of our dispensation?

Some have said that this was just another name for Noah, but there is no proof of that.

Noah?
The title Elias has also been applied to many others for specific missions or restorative functions that they are to fulfill, for example, John the Revelator and Noah or Gabriel.
Will You cough up all obfuscation around Elias? I know them all, better than You..

[_gdemetz]

You are wrong again Ludwigm. You didn't look at all the rest of the reference page I gave you. You stated that the name Elias doesn't exist outside of the English and the KJV. However, according to Wikipedia:

Elias Icelandic
Elias HUNGARIAN
Elias Spanish
Elias Czech
Elias Portuguese
Elias Persian
Eliasz Polish
Elis Swedish
Eliyahu Hebrew

Anyhow, however one wants to call the name, the fact still remains that the uses in the above passages show clearly that it could apply to a person who didn't even have that name, such as John the Baptist, or ANOTHER.