Bible verse by verse

[_gdemetz]

These were the evangelical beliefs which, unfortunately, I was exposed to for many years:

God is everywhere, but nowhere in particular. However, He somehow had a son that was "in the beginning" with Him also, and they came up with a grand plan, which was this: To make a tremendous amount of stars and other space matter just to provide a grade view for their masterpiece, which was a tiny planet around an obscure star at the edge of an obscure galaxy. Then, place living things on it with man and woman being the grand masterpiece, for the sole purpose, of course, to worship Him and His son.

Then, came the brilliant plan: Witness by prophets, etc, to some, but not most {too bad} that whoever would confess that His son was their Savior would be saved forever and be able to live with them and worship them forever! However, who would not would be roasted in a lake of fire forever! Brilliant, isn't it?!

Does anybody but me see a big problem with this?!?

[_ludwigm]

...serpant...
...serpent...

Option 1: The Bible was not translated correctly.
Option 2: You can not spell words known by 3rd grades, or copy them from a source in front of you.

The second part of my comment can be found at telestial, here...

[_LittleNipper]

These were the evangelical beliefs which, unfortunately, I was exposed to for many years:

God is everywhere, but nowhere in particular. However, He somehow had a son that was "in the beginning" with Him also, and they came up with a grand plan, which was this: To make a tremendous amount of stars and other space matter just to provide a grade view for their masterpiece, which was a tiny planet around an obscure star at the edge of an obscure galaxy. Then, place living things on it with man and woman being the grand masterpiece, for the sole purpose, of course, to worship Him and His son.

Then, came the brilliant plan: Witness by prophets, etc, to some, but not most {too bad} that whoever would confess that His son was their Savior would be saved forever and be able to live with them and worship them forever! However, who would not would be roasted in a lake of fire forever! Brilliant, isn't it?!

Does anybody but me see a big problem with this?!?

God is triune. That is His nature. He has always existed as three. We are a material people. We like things, and things are important to us. We want to know it all, and being in control is important to us. The fact that we don't and are not, is a problem for us.

[Guest]

Genesis 3:8-13 Christ comes to walk with Adam and Eve at a windy part of the day. Adam and Eve hear Christ coming and hide themselves. Christ calls out for Adam. Adam tells Christ that he heard Him coming and hid himself because he feels naked. Christ asks Adam who told Adam that he was naked. Adam, being "real manly," blamed Christ and Eve for his problem --- saying, "The woman whom Thou didst place with me -- she hath given to me of the tree -- and I do eat." Eve is asked by God what she has done. Eve places the blame entirely on the serpent and claims for the first and only time that she could be made to forget...



8 And they hear the sound of Jehovah God walking up and down in the garden at the breeze of the day, and the man and his wife hide themselves from the face of Jehovah God in the midst of the trees of the garden.

9 And Jehovah God calleth unto the man, and saith to him, `Where [art] thou?'

10 and he saith, `Thy sound I have heard in the garden, and I am afraid, for I am naked, and I hide myself.'

11 And He saith, `Who hath declared to thee that thou [art] naked? of the tree of which I have commanded thee not to eat, hast thou eaten?'

12 and the man saith, `The woman whom Thou didst place with me -- she hath given to me of the tree -- and I do eat.'

13 And Jehovah God saith to the woman, `What [is] this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, `The serpent hath caused me to forget -- and I do eat.'

[_bcuzbcuz]

Genesis 3:8-13 Eve places the blame entirely on the serpent and claims for the fist and only time that she could be made to forget...



13 And Jehovah God saith to the woman, `What [is] this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, `The serpent hath caused me to forget -- and I do eat.'

Genesis is there for all to read. But what do you mean by woman "claims for the fist and only time that she could be made to forget..."??

You mean that the woman you're married to won't "forget"?? and therefore you think Eve's statement applies to "all women"??

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 3:8-13 Eve places the blame entirely on the serpent and claims for the first and only time that she could be made to forget...


13 And Jehovah God saith to the woman, `What [is] this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, `The serpent hath caused me to forget -- and I do eat.'

Genesis is there for all to read. But what do you mean by woman "claims for the first and only time that she could be made to forget..."??

You mean that the woman you're married to won't "forget"?? and therefore you think Eve's statement applies to "all women"??

I was being sarcastic! Though, I actually have never heard a woman admit that someone made her forget anything ---- ever. PS> And my wife is perfect.

[_bcuzbcuz]

I was being sarcastic! Though, I actually have never heard a woman admit that someone made her forget anything ---- ever. PS> And my wife is perfect.

OK, that I can buy. Neither the first sin nor forgetfulness is ever anything I can lay at my wife's feet. My wife is perfect, too.

[Guest]

Genesis 3:14-19 The curses are handed out by God. The serpent is made to eat the dust. Interestingly, that is what living things were made from. So this creature seems to be made to eat meat or dead animals... The promise is made regarding a human baby that would arrive to overcome the problem. Eve is promised a difficult time with childbirth and unfulfillment of desire with husband who will tend to rule. The man will work hard his entire life, reap less and work in discomfort. He will be have to suppliment his diet with processed foods. He will die and return to dust.

14 And Jehovah God saith unto the serpent, `Because thou hast done this, cursed [art] thou above all the cattle, and above every beast of the field: on thy belly dost thou go, and dust thou dost eat, all days of thy life;

15 and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.'

16 Unto the woman He said, `Multiplying I multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow dost thou bear children, and toward thy husband [is] thy desire, and he doth rule over thee.'

17 And to the man He said, `Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and dost eat of the tree concerning which I have charged thee, saying, Thou dost not eat of it, cursed [is] the ground on thine account; in sorrow thou dost eat of it all days of thy life,

18 and thorn and bramble it doth bring forth to thee, and thou hast eaten the herb of the field;

19 by the sweat of thy face thou dost eat bread till thy return unto the ground, for out of it hast thou been taken, for dust thou [art], and unto dust thou turnest back.'

[_gdemetz]

Is that all you can say Nipper? That God is triune {sic}. You don't see a big problem with the limited intelligence of God if that ridiculous plan I mentioned were true? God is not a weird three in one creature which the precepts of man has taught! The Biblical prophets have also seen the the same vision that Joseph Smith saw, and that is Christ standing (or sitting) on the right hand of Heavenly Father! Does it make since to you that if they were so closely connected as being of "the same substance" as stated by the Athenasian creed, that Christ would not know when He was to return, but His Father would, not to mention that He would be landing on Himself at His own baptism while throwing His voice from heaven to declare how well pleased He was with Himself as well as praying to Himself?!?

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine... and shall be turn unto fables."

[_Drifting]

The Biblical prophets have also seen the the same vision that Joseph Smith saw, and that is Christ standing (or sitting) on the right hand of Heavenly Father!

Hmmm...

Can you reference the similarities between what is written in the Bible about seeing God with what is written in Joseph Smith History?

Thanks.