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[_tapirrider]

No David, it is not a ridiculous matter. You are using outdated terminology from those journals and trying to apply it right now. That is a racist action on your part. And what is this referendum that you have accused me of saying existed?

no I'm not

Yes you do in fact use outdated racist terminology in your failed attempts to fabricate evidence for the Book of Mormon.

And what is this referendum? I never said there was one. How about you deal with your false accusation of me.

I clearly explained what is wrong with the use of the word caucasian. Don't try to blame me for your mistakes by calling me a liar.

[_bomgeography]

No David, it is not a ridiculous matter. You are using outdated terminology from those journals and trying to apply it right now. That is a racist action on your part. And what is this referendum that you have accused me of saying existed?

no I'm not

Yes you do in fact use outdated racist terminology in your failed attempts to fabricate evidence for the Book of Mormon.

And what is this referendum? I never said there was one. How about you deal with your false accusation of me.

I clearly explained what is wrong with the use of the word caucasian. Don't try to blame me for your mistakes by calling me a liar.

The idea the scientific term caucasian is this evil racist term is laughable. The research in those research journals is accurate but you cherry pick what evidence YOU deem accurate.

[_tapirrider]

The idea the scientific term caucasian is this evil racist term is laughable. The research in those research journals is accurate but you cherry pick what evidence YOU deem accurate.

Now you are misrepresenting what I have said to you. I never said that the word caucasian is this evil racist term. I have clearly explained this. It is a shame that you are resorting to this kind of behavior. It is much better to just be honest and face truth.

[_bomgeography]

The idea the scientific term caucasian is this evil racist term is laughable. The research in those research journals is accurate but you cherry pick what evidence YOU deem accurate.

Now you are misrepresenting what I have said to you. I never said that the word caucasian is this evil racist term. I have clearly explained this. It is a shame that you are resorting to this kind of behavior. It is much better to just be honest and face truth.

you said using caucasian is racist

[_tapirrider]

The idea the scientific term caucasian is this evil racist term is laughable. The research in those research journals is accurate but you cherry pick what evidence YOU deem accurate.

Now you are misrepresenting what I have said to you. I never said that the word caucasian is this evil racist term. I have clearly explained this. It is a shame that you are resorting to this kind of behavior. It is much better to just be honest and face truth.

you said using caucasian is racist

Once again you are dishonestly misrepresenting what I have tried to tell you. Here are a few of my words to you about your use of caucasian from previous correspondence:

Stop robbing American Indian’s contributions to the world by trying to claim that their ancestors were Caucasians. Their real ancestors deserve full credit, but your fantasy history doesn’t grant that to them.

your use of the word Caucasian is outdated and racist. Even worse, the context you use it in is that ancient white people in America accomplished the greatest things but were destroyed by non-Caucasians. That theme is downright racist, scientifically false and morally condemnable.

The LDS church is making efforts to water down and remove the racism of skin color. White now means pure, not skin color as explained in the LDS essays and even in official curriculum materials. But here comes Dave, parading out Caucasian and claiming that haplogroup x is a genetic marker for it, using it to identify white as a genetic distinctiveness as evidence for proof of the Book of Mormon. This garbage from Dave is sick and racist. And like all others who do this kind of thing, he resorts to the most extreme pseudo claims such as ancient giants mixing with people, use of known hoax artifacts and the concept that white is superior. There really is no place for this in the 21st century and most importantly, when addressing matters of American Indians. This wouldn’t stand for one minute if it was about Blacks, but when it comes to American Indians, one of the realities of racism against them is that things like this are still considered acceptable by the ignorant and uninformed and Dave just keeps right on doing it.

articles using the word Caucasian are in fact in a different context that Dave’s use of it. The scientists are not claiming migrations to the Americas during timelines of the Bible or Book of Mormon, they are acknowledging the radiocarbon dating and molecular clock measurements dating back to the Pleistocene. This makes Dave’s use of it in the context of recent migrations even more racist.

It is also important to realize that Dr. Chatters identified Kennewick man as Caucosoid because of the skull shape, and he argued that Kennewick man was not ancestral to American Indians. But Dr. Chatters changed his mind after studying an even more ancient skull in Mexico, and this was before the final, conclusive DNA studies of Kennewick man that directly ties him to living American Indians.

David McKane, you fabricated what I have said into something else and then called me a liar. Why do you do this? And what is this referendum that you have accused me of saying existed?

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tapir rider · August 3, 2016 at 8:27 am
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David, your use of the word Caucasian is outdated and racist. Even worse, the context you use it in is that ancient white people in America accomplished the greatest things but were destroyed by non-Caucasians. That theme is downright racist, scientifically false and morally condemnable.
The LDS church is making efforts to water down and remove the racism of skin color. White now means pure, not skin color as explained in the LDS essays and even in official curriculum materials. But here comes Dave, parading out Caucasian and claiming that haplogroup x is a genetic marker for it, using it to identify white as a genetic distinctiveness as evidence for proof of the Book of Mormon. This garbage from Dave is sick and racist. And like all others who do this kind of thing, he resorts to the most extreme pseudo claims such as ancient giants

In the above quote you call me a racist and sick for quoting research papers. What's funny is your statements are false scientifically proven by genetics.

“In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
“To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707616292
“Overall, the sequence data and phylogenetic analysis suggest that the Native American and the European haplogroup X mtDNAs share a common maternal ancestor”
“The 14 Caucasian-European haplogroup X samples (designated “CE1”–“CE14”) included 2 Caucasians of European ancestry”
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Antonio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju ̈rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Fulvio Cruciani,2 and Douglas C. Wallace1)
“Phylogenetic analysis and coalescence estimates for American Indian and European haplogroup X mtDNAs exclude the possibility that the occurrence of haplogroup X in American Indians is due to recent European admixture.”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

Except the facts tapir.

[_bomgeography]

Haplo group x is a caucasian DNA marker no matter how often you call me or the researchers racist

[_tapirrider]

In the above quote you call me a racist and sick for quoting research papers. What's funny is your statements are false scientifically proven by genetics.

I said that this garbage from you is sick and racist and it is. Now let's look at how accurately you are quoting those research papers.

“In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)[/quote]

You have misquoted the paper David McKane. Here is what it actually says:

"If this is the case, then it is possible that this mtDNA was brought to Beringia/America by the eastward migration of an ancestral Caucasian population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian populations."

Why did you do this? Why did you misquote and add something that wasn't there? What you have done is not only dishonest, it hints at your racist beliefs.

Except the facts tapir.

I do accept the facts including the timelines that you claim are seriously flawed. Let's review what you have done. You use known hoax artifacts, you misrepresent authentic ones and you misrepresent DNA. In a nutshell, you are fabricating claims of evidence. On top of that you fabricate things I didn't say and now you have fabricated something that the scientists did not say. You have also resorted to calling me a liar.

[_tapirrider]

Haplo group x is a caucasian DNA marker no matter how often you call me or the researchers racist

Your use of the word caucasian is racist.

[_bomgeography]

Haplo group x is a caucasian DNA marker no matter how often you call me or the researchers racist

Your use of the word caucasian is racist.

Prove it