Science proves life after death

[_Lemmie]

I said "begins to provide." Yes people die. People are killed. People starve. People thirst.

But without imagining a solution, nothing works in your favor.

For example: Two people could be standing in desert, challenged by the same things. But one might use his imagination to get water, while the other uses his imagination to panic, or despair.

Depending upon the amount of faith, the amount of preparation, and other things, the universe might provide for one and not the other. Yes, faith has everything to do with it. I'm not implying, (exactly) that rain will begin to fall. But sometimes people get impressions that loved ones need help. Sometimes people get impressions to turn left instead of right, thus coincidentally providing aid.

The universe works through channels. Some channels are strong, some are weak. But like I said, what if one person had a SAT phone? This is a powerful channel to provide help through. But if someone is crippled, 100 milles from anywhere, and no one is looking for them, I'm guessing their will die.

But. . . the point is, we create channels with our effort and our faith. We work though existing means so when we are in trouble, we can call upon those channels for help. Very often, when we find a person that died from exposure, we intentionally create safety channels so that the next person in need will be OK. But, that dead person's need doesn't go entirely unanswered. Help doesn't always come fast enough but often comes.

Imagination is energy, which causes change. Perhaps the change was small, or maybe it changed the world, but something moves.

Let me guess, you've been reading Byrnes' book The Secret? or maybe the sequel, The Power?

[_Themis]

I said "begins to provide." Yes people die. People are killed. People starve. People thirst.

But without imagining a solution, nothing works in your favor.

For example: Two people could be standing in desert, challenged by the same things. But one might use his imagination to get water, while the other uses his imagination to panic, or despair.

Depending upon the amount of faith, the amount of preparation, and other things, the universe might provide for one and not the other. Yes, faith has everything to do with it. I'm not implying, (exactly) that rain will begin to fall. But sometimes people get impressions that loved ones need help. Sometimes people get impressions to turn left instead of right, thus coincidentally providing aid.

The universe works through channels. Some channels are strong, some are weak. But like I said, what if one person had a SAT phone? This is a powerful channel to provide help through. But if someone is crippled, 100 milles from anywhere, and no one is looking for them, I'm guessing their will die.

But. . . the point is, we create channels with our effort and our faith. We work though existing means so when we are in trouble, we can call upon those channels for help. Very often, when we find a person that died from exposure, we intentionally create safety channels so that the next person in need will be OK. But, that dead person's need doesn't go entirely unanswered. Help doesn't always come fast enough but often comes.

Imagination is energy, which causes change. Perhaps the change was small, or maybe it changed the world, but something moves.

No one is saying one shouldn't imagine ways to solve their problems. The rest of what you say is just made up beliefs you have way of knowing are true, and is more likely not even close to reality.

[_SPG]

Let me guess, you've been reading Byrnes' book The Secret? or maybe the sequel, The Power?

I watched the Secret a long time again and was disappointed with how it presented things. But I believe that the universe is alive and reacts to us. I don't claim to understand it all, but desire, love, Freud's Theory of Libido, etc, is some form of God. I believe that when we want something, It, or we, begin to create it.

But I don't see it so much as one man being so powerful. I see humanity more as a whole, and that desire/want/libido preceded the humans. My ancestors wondered and desired to walk on the moon and though it has taken thousands of years to play out, those desires did play out, and still do. Just because the person carrying a desire dies, doesn't mean that the desire dies.

[_SPG]

No one is saying one shouldn't imagine ways to solve their problems. The rest of what you say is just made up beliefs you have way of knowing are true, and is more likely not even close to reality.

So you agree with me, but there is no way to know if my beliefs are true?

When a person farts, it's part of reality. If they fart in church, it's part of many people's reality. What it does in reality. . . . you are right to say it cannot be proved. There is a "truth" of how things happen, but it is so complex and infinite that humans could never understand it. Billions of years ago some creature broke the rules and crawled out of the ocean onto the rocks. Maybe it stayed for only a second, then had sex, tried it again and died. Then maybe one of it's offspring tried again, stayed two seconds, had sex, tried again and died, and so on.

How things "happen" IS THE TRUTH. Not the explanations. Explanations are just stories, which are part of the truth, but not truth. How people respond to the story is truth, even if the story isn't.

I am so proud of humans in general. I look at our cities and ambitions and I think, "we are Gods." But how we got here isn't because we always had the truth. Truth happened, but we didn't understand it. We believed the stores of the Bible, mostly written in confused and blind times, transcribed by monks with political agendas, etc. But. . . we Bible believers lead one the most powerful civilizations/cultures on earth.

What we believe has nothing to do with the truth, except that what we believe has everything to do with reality.

[_Maksutov]

What we believe has nothing to do with the truth, except that what we believe has everything to do with reality.

[_Themis]

What we believe has nothing to do with the truth, except that what we believe has everything to do with reality.

What we believe can influence what happens, but there are many beliefs that will not change certain realities no matter how much you believe. Evolution of life did not break any rules. Even life moving from the oceans to dry land didn't break any laws. Imagining how you might find water may help you find water to survive in a desert, but not if there is no water to access.

[_SPG]

What we believe can influence what happens, but there are many beliefs that will not change certain realities no matter how much you believe. Evolution of life did not break any rules. Even life moving from the oceans to dry land didn't break any laws. Imagining how you might find water may help you find water to survive in a desert, but not if there is no water to access.

Give me one example of a belief that doesn't influence in some way?

I don't know exactly what happened 2.5 billion years when life was taking biological form. But, I heard, that Bob, (a.k.a. Robert) was told not to go dry land, because he was a water creature. If you go on dry land, you shall surely die. But Bob went to dry land, and Bob died. Sally, (Bob's best friend) decided that everyday she would splash the area where Bob died with water, so that should anyone else be so stupid, they would not die right away. Frank did try it for a second, because the land was wet, he survived the 2 seconds on land. Sally, impressed with Frank, loved him and their children every increasing tested their ability to stay on land.

My point is, even if one person doesn't fulfill the desire, others that follow might. That only sure way to kill a trend is if the desire for it goes away. If a person local to a desert and a tourist from a topical island entered the desert together, or at the same time, what seems impossible to one might seem common sense to the other. Our mind, our imagination, has been shaped by the experiences of our family and culture.

The idea of "no access" is completely subjective to the imagination of the person in the desert. Where one person has faith and other doesn't. For the person who has no faith, it might not be his faith. But the person that does have faith, I'm sure made the effort, and is probably the result or product of people who developed their faith over the generations. While the methods and techniques evolve, the desire to survive in the desert basically remains the same.

And. . . . perhaps the first person that wanted to survive in the desert didn't know how. Maybe she just believed that it was possible, so lived near the desert, and entered from time to time. But she started the challenge of developing/believing/evolving the idea that people could live in the desert. So, maybe it took a thousand years for the belief that humans could live in the desert to fully manifest. But, the universe responded to the first person's desire.

For tourist to enter the desert with survival plan consisting of a Prayer for Rain is a weak and poor application of faith. The Sand Demons have been known to ignore such prayers. But, it has worked for some. Or, perhaps our older animal instincts can sense water and what sometimes appears to be intervention is just deeper need in action.

Either way, belief has everything to do with your ability to survive.

[_Themis]

What we believe can influence what happens, but there are many beliefs that will not change certain realities no matter how much you believe. Evolution of life did not break any rules. Even life moving from the oceans to dry land didn't break any laws. Imagining how you might find water may help you find water to survive in a desert, but not if there is no water to access.

Give me one example of a belief that doesn't influence in some way?

Why? I never said our beliefs don't have some influence. I said their are realities that will not disappear no matter what we believe.

I don't know exactly what happened 2.5 billion years when life was taking biological form.

Ya you should have stopped typing after you typed this.

The idea of "no access" is completely subjective to the imagination of the person in the desert.

There are many many circumstances that will not change no matter the imagination of the person involved. Death for example is something no one yet has been able to avoid. Sure many have tried, and imagination may one day allow for humans to avoid getting old, but it has been a sure thing so far.

Either way, belief has everything to do with your ability to survive.

It's very important, and having the wrong beliefs causes many to die. Believing you can do something you cannot gets some people killed.

[_SPG]

There are many many circumstances that will not change no matter the imagination of the person involved. Death for example is something no one yet has been able to avoid. Sure many have tried, and imagination may one day allow for humans to avoid getting old, but it has been a sure thing so far.

There is so much to argue about, but we probably seeing things in similar ways.

What I am trying to emphasize in this thread is the death part. Does a tree die when it sheds its leaves for the winter? The leaves fall, but are they really dead? They will be back next year? But are they the same leaves? Not entirely, but they will look the same, and do the same sort of things. But the source of life, the real life, comes from the tree.

I believe, for my own reasons, that the memories and experiences of humans are not lost when we die. I believe that 99.999999% of the code that created us can create us again, and that 0.000001 part of us that might be completely unique to our life can be captured by the metaphorical tree of life.

[_Themis]

What I am trying to emphasize in this thread is the death part. Does a tree die when it sheds its leaves for the winter? The leaves fall, but are they really dead? They will be back next year? But are they the same leaves? Not entirely, but they will look the same, and do the same sort of things. But the source of life, the real life, comes from the tree.

We are talking about human death, and no the tree is not dead. It is dormant until good growing conditions return, but all trees do eventually die.

I believe, for my own reasons, that the memories and experiences of humans are not lost when we die. I believe that 99.999999% of the code that created us can create us again, and that 0.000001 part of us that might be completely unique to our life can be captured by the metaphorical tree of life.

Yes that is your unjustified belief. A belief with no support other then your desire to believe it. Now it is more likely to be wrong and could influence you not to do anything about it because you mistakenly think believe it is correct.