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True Doctrine

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:16 am
by _Gazelam
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I hear repeatedly here in this mesage board how wrong the Gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is. What I never hear is where these doubters go to worship and find truth. What alternative faith do these people offer once they have torn down our faith?

Please state, if you have left the church or are planning to leave the church, where you go now or are planning to go.

Also please state doctrinal differences and their replacements, with scriptural refrences if possible.

Thank you

Gaz

What now?

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:13 am
by _msnobody
I hear repeatedly here in this mesage board how wrong the Gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is. What I never hear is where these doubters go to worship and find truth. What alternative faith do these people offer once they have torn down our faith?

I think most of the people who post here are exLDS. Many exLDS are so devastated at what they find when researching the truth claims of the LDS church, that they come to reject any belief in God, some become agnostic, others find another spiritual outlet. It is my opinion that it is difficult to differentiate between having trusted in an organization versus trusting in the Lord alone. There is a lot of ingrained ways of thinking that are difficult to shed, even after years of having left the LDS church. It is very hard to be able to trust again when a person for lack of a better term feels like they've been spiritually raped. It shatters your whole world, world view, even knowing who you youself are, Gazelem.

Please state, if you have left the church or are planning to leave the church, where you go now or are planning to go.

I think most people in this situation would tell you that they just don't know.

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:26 am
by _richardMdBorn
I'm a never LDS who attends an evangelical church.

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:14 am
by _Gazelam
Richard,

Would you please contrast and compare your beliefs with Mormon Doctrine.

Thanks,

Gazelam

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:04 am
by _richardMdBorn
Gazelam wrote:Richard,

Would you please contrast and compare your beliefs with Mormon Doctrine.

Thanks,

Gazelam
Well, I don't believe that God the Father had a father. Is that part of Mormon Doctrine in your opinion?

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:35 pm
by _gramps
Hi Gaz,

I hear repeatedly here in this mesage board how wrong the Gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is. What I never hear is where these doubters go to worship and find truth. What alternative faith do these people offer once they have torn down our faith?

Please state, if you have left the church or are planning to leave the church, where you go now or are planning to go.

Also please state doctrinal differences and their replacements, with scriptural refrences if possible.

Thank you

Gaz


First, I am not a "doubter," although I am not quite sure what you mean by that. I don't get the sense that a lot of the posters here are "doubters."

So, perhaps, I am one not to add anything here. But, I will anyway.

I have left the church. In fact, I turned 48 on Sept. 14 of this year. For my b-day, I gave myself a present. I sent in my resignation letter to Greg at membership records. Just two weeks ago, my bishop here in Dresden dropped by unannounced to make sure I was the one who had sent the letter and to let me know how the process would proceed from that point.

One week after his visit, I received my 30-day letter, to which I won't be responding. So, soon I will be off the books (I guess?).

I left the church, physically and spiritually, over 20 years ago, however. There was no internet as we know it then, so it is fun now to hang out on the various boards and keep current with what is going on in Mormon world.

I am not a Christian. I don't believe in any kind of God. I live a "moral" life, but my morals aren't based in any religious texts. I have faith in myself, and in most others. I find truth any way I can, whatever "truth" is? But, I don't necessarily need to know the truth of everything to get along quite well in this world.

Life has been quite good and quite rewarding without God. I miss my Dad and my Mom and a couple of my siblings, who will have nothing to do with me for forsaking the Mormon way.

I'm not out to tear down your faith, but I am not going to give you a free pass either if you engage me in a discussion. I personally don't care if you have faith in god, or whatever. If you have faith in the God that would lead you to killing someone in his name, then I hope I'm not around when you get that special revelation. But, otherwise, knock yourself out.

To tell you the truth, after being out for over 20 years, Gaz, I can not understand why someone stays in any church, let alone the Mormon variety. It really is beyond me.

If there was some kind of conclusive proof that the Book of Mormon was actually what it says it is, or that the gold plates were returned, or even if we found the box that they were apparently buried in, I wouldn't go running back to my bishop on my hands and knees, begging for forgiveness. I am not attracted to Mormonism in the slightest. It is so aesthetically displeasing to me. I just shake my head when I read about those who say they would go back. If the Mormon church is what the truth really is, then I don't want the truth. That's how I feel about Mormonism and Christianity.

So, I don't offer you any alternative faith. You obviously can stand on your own two feet. You chose the Mormon faith. I have not so chosen. The thing is though, Gaz, I don't go around trying to convert people into my lifestyle and I would certainly never charge them money to follow me. And I would never threaten them with eternal unhappiness were they so inclined not to do so. That is, to me, a very ugly part of your religion.

I actually enjoy life and am quite at peace not knowing the truth of it all. In fact, that's what is cool about not believing the Mormon nonsense. The world is much more interesting and mysterious to me now than when I was trying to figure out Kolobian astronomy and how handshakes had to be just so, in order to get into heaven.

Hope I answered some of your questions.

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:35 pm
by _Jason Bourne
richardMdBorn wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Richard,

Would you please contrast and compare your beliefs with Mormon Doctrine.

Thanks,

Gazelam
Well, I don't believe that God the Father had a father. Is that part of Mormon Doctrine in your opinion?


Hmm, let's see, a comparison and contrast was asked and this guy picks one of the most extreme and speculative LDS belief possible. How typical.

Jason

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:38 am
by _richardMdBorn
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Richard,

Would you please contrast and compare your beliefs with Mormon Doctrine.

Thanks,

Gazelam
Well, I don't believe that God the Father had a father. Is that part of Mormon Doctrine in your opinion?


Hmm, let's see, a comparison and contrast was asked and this guy picks one of the most extreme and speculative LDS belief possible. How typical.

Jason
Joseph Smith taught it in the King Follett Discourse. Other LDS leaders have taught it too. Do you agree or disagree with it. Does GBH teach or does he disavow it?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:06 am
by _Polygamy Porter
richardMdBorn wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
richardMdBorn wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Richard,

Would you please contrast and compare your beliefs with Mormon Doctrine.

Thanks,

Gazelam
Well, I don't believe that God the Father had a father. Is that part of Mormon Doctrine in your opinion?


Hmm, let's see, a comparison and contrast was asked and this guy picks one of the most extreme and speculative LDS belief possible. How typical.

Jason
Joseph Smith taught it in the King Follett Discourse. Other LDS leaders have taught it too. Do you agree or disagree with it. Does GBH teach or does he disavow it?

Well since such a belief is now too "weird" and would possibly repel would be converts, you need to understand that Joseph Smith was simply spouting off his own ideas and anyone else after him was not speaking as a divine prophet. They were just speaking "as a man".

Nevermind that their words were considered divine at the time and for many many years later...

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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:04 pm
by _truth dancer
Hi Gaz...

I am still an active member (not temple going) but I have chosen to follow my own sense of truth and holiness as best I can.

At this point in my life I do not think any religion is the one and only true one. I think religion is meant as a way to find peace and meaning in life, and as such works for whomever believes in their particular belief/doctrine.

~dancer~