Blacks and the Priesthood/Mormons and Polgny

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_Selah
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Blacks and the Priesthood/Mormons and Polgny

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Hey everyone. :) It's been a while - but when I received the following in my inbox this morning this board was the first one I thought of. Has anyone heard of the following books? And what are your thoughts about them?

DeseretBook.com Exclusive Offer!
New from the publishers of Mormons and Masons!

SAVE 10% on 2 NEW books in the "Setting the Record Straight" series: Blacks and the Mormon Priesthood and Mormons and Polygamy. These compact volumes offer perspective on two controversial and misunderstood topics from faithful and respected LDS scholars.
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Re: Blacks and the Priesthood/Mormons and Polgny

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Selah wrote:Hey everyone. :) It's been a while - but when I received the following in my inbox this morning this board was the first one I thought of. Has anyone heard of the following books? And what are your thoughts about them?

DeseretBook.com Exclusive Offer!
New from the publishers of Mormons and Masons!

SAVE 10% on 2 NEW books in the "Setting the Record Straight" series: Blacks and the Mormon Priesthood and Mormons and Polygamy. These compact volumes offer perspective on two controversial and misunderstood topics from faithful and respected LDS scholars.


Oh gosh....like you're not going to get an absolutely biased book? Why not just ask Karl Marx about the merits of Capitalism vs the merits of Socialism?


PS: Good to see you around Selah! Hope things are good on your end.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
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Re: Blacks and the Priesthood/Mormons and Polgny

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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Selah wrote:Hey everyone. :) It's been a while - but when I received the following in my inbox this morning this board was the first one I thought of. Has anyone heard of the following books? And what are your thoughts about them?

DeseretBook.com Exclusive Offer!
New from the publishers of Mormons and Masons!

SAVE 10% on 2 NEW books in the "Setting the Record Straight" series: Blacks and the Mormon Priesthood and Mormons and Polygamy. These compact volumes offer perspective on two controversial and misunderstood topics from faithful and respected LDS scholars.


Oh gosh....like you're not going to get an absolutely biased book? Why not just ask Karl Marx about the merits of Capitalism vs the merits of Socialism?


PS: Good to see you around Selah! Hope things are good on your end.


On one of the "advertisements" I've read for these books, sums it up quite well, "Faith promoting". Yep - that usually means, lies by ommission right? ;) Like how BY totally went against Joseph's set precedent and allowed blacks to hold the Priesthood? :P

Anyways, I was curious about everyone's thoughts. While I am entertaining the idea of picking one of these books up for comparison study, I'm not interested in it because I for the slightest minute think it will be real work and honest in detail. :P

Hope all is well with you. Missed this board this summer. :D I'm contemplating joining an "ex-Mormon" support group. Ehhh, they all seem so angry though.
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Good to see you again Selah.

Whats the picture in your Avatar by the way? Is there a story there?

And stay away from a suport group like that, its the last thign you need.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:Good to see you again Selah.

Whats the picture in your Avatar by the way? Is there a story there?

And stay away from a suport group like that, its the last thign you need.


I was baptized on July 22. You can read about it here and there's more pictures. :D
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Blacks and the priesthood

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I am black and was amember for 15 years. Problem is I live in the south and always felt like a second class member. You would have to live in the south to really understand. Her segregation is still practiced.
There are people that stopped coming to church when blacks were able to hold the priesthood.
I recently resigned my membership from the church for that reason and doctrinal reasons.

The more I studied the church the more I felt not welcomed.

I have no hard feelings though because I did meet some people that I really came to love.

I loved the way the church stressed family togetherness.

I am also a Mason and can see where alot came from. I also served as a Temple Ordinance worker.

Could never hold the office as bishop because of my race.

I have changed denominations now because I still love and believe that God lives.

Maybe one day the south will catch up and stop all the racism.
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hi Deacon,

Welcome to the board.

The idea that God would have anything to do with racism just completely doesn't fit into my paradigm concerning anything Godly or holy.

Even as a believer, I could NEVER find peace with the teaching/doctrine that blacks couldn't hold the priesthood. Never. Of course no one told me about the ban when I first joined the church or I never would have joined, nevertheless, all the excuses, justification, and blame given to God for the racism seriously cannot be integrated with a just and loving God.

Similarly, the idea that women are second class citizens in the LDS church, that God wants women to be denied rights, privileges, and opportunities due to their X chromosome makes me a little dizzy! ;-)

Another fifty years and this will change as well... the church just moves really slowly, about a couple of decades after mainstream society. (smile)

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truth dancer wrote:Hi Deacon,

Welcome to the board.

The idea that God would have anything to do with racism just completely doesn't fit into my paradigm concerning anything Godly or holy.

Even as a believer, I could NEVER find peace with the teaching/doctrine that blacks couldn't hold the priesthood. Never. Of course no one told me about the ban when I first joined the church or I never would have joined, nevertheless, all the excuses, justification, and blame given to God for the racism seriously cannot be integrated with a just and loving God.

Similarly, the idea that women are second class citizens in the LDS church, that God wants women to be denied rights, privileges, and opportunities due to their X chromosome makes me a little dizzy! ;-)

Another fifty years and this will change as well... the church just moves really slowly, about a couple of decades after mainstream society. (smile)

~dancer~


That may be true but I don't think I have 50 years left. LOL

Thanks for your reply
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DeaconC wrote:That may be true but I don't think I have 50 years left. LOL


Not with that attitude ;)

Welcome to the board!
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
DeaconC wrote:That may be true but I don't think I have 50 years left. LOL


Not with that attitude ;)

Welcome to the board!


No attitude intinded. I was refering to my age and medical condition when I said I didn't think I had 50 years left.
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