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Temple work for MMM's victims.
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:55 pm
by _karl61
Has it been done? I'm not sure since some of these people were still not buried in a proper grave in 1999. You think the Church would gather the remains and see to a decent burial. The Church is buying land and building momuments to the Martin Hancock Party while these people were still laying where they were shot.
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:56 pm
by _mocnarf
Interesting question.... Doesn't seem that anyone here has an answer for you. I suppose if you know the names of the people killed, you could do a search of the LDS's Genealogical site and see if their names pop up. My guess is that the LDS church has not done that work, why should they.... you wouldn't want them testifing to GOD about the bad acts of BY and other 1856 Mormons. It would be better to keep they locked up in "Spirit Prison" wouldn't it?
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:31 pm
by _mocnarf
Does anyone have the list of the names of the victims? I have a little time this weekend to check the LDS genealogical site and see if I can find out if any work has been done.
You would think that if it is really true that work for the dead is really needed for salvation and entry into the highest level of the Celestrial Kingdom that the Church would have seen to it that this proxy work would have been done for these people whom leaders of a Mormon community murdered, with the help of many church members. Then again if the LDS leaders know that all this proxy work is all just a bounch of BS, used to keep members busy doing stuff that the member "thinks" to be important. Then, I supposed doing this work is of no importance.
What other reason could there be for not doing this proxy work?
updated information from MAD on this subject
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:37 pm
by _mocnarf
from alter idem in MAD post.
Yes, the work was done fairly recently(can't find the date right now-I don't have time to search) by the descendents of John D. Lee. However, I know that at least one descendant complained about the proxy work. The work can't be undone--but the record of the work for some of the victims was removed at this person's request.
This is one of the demands of the most hostile MMM foundation group. They want all the work which was done rescinded.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:57 pm
by _Blixa
check my terrestial post under "vengeance is mine" I've given the details there.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:59 am
by _Livingstone22
I was under the impression that the church does work for any and all persons whom they know of that has died. I believe this includes Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. I believe this is because it is not "our" decision to judge who God will save.
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:25 pm
by _haleray
The Church does do proxy ordnances for everyone who has died, but the Church has some restrictions, first, the Church needs permission to do the ordnance for the dead, from family members, if the person has been dead less than 100 years.
Second: the Church has promised that they would not do proxy ordnances for the Jewish people that were murdered during the Holocaust.
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:30 pm
by _The Nehor
haleray wrote:The Church does do proxy ordnances for everyone who has died, but the Church has some restrictions, first, the Church needs permission to do the ordnance for the dead, from family members, if the person has been dead less than 100 years.
Second: the Church has promised that they would not do proxy ordnances for the Jewish people that were murdered during the Holocaust.
Small correction, they promised not to do Holocaust victims unless a family member submits them.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:44 am
by _TygerFang
The Nehor wrote:haleray wrote:The Church does do proxy ordnances for everyone who has died, but the Church has some restrictions, first, the Church needs permission to do the ordnance for the dead, from family members, if the person has been dead less than 100 years.
Second: the Church has promised that they would not do proxy ordnances for the Jewish people that were murdered during the Holocaust.
Small correction, they promised not to do Holocaust victims unless a family member submits them.
Should it even be done when it's submitted? I understand that they believe that they're saving that person and helping good people into heaven, but isn't it the same as if you spend your entire life devoted and following the Mormon faith but then decades later your family is a different religion so they decide to have you undergo religious rituals also. I mean if you're this devout Mormon would you want some person doing these things in your name just because they want to do them for you, not because you would have wanted it.
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:38 pm
by _The Nehor
TygerFang wrote:The Nehor wrote:haleray wrote:The Church does do proxy ordnances for everyone who has died, but the Church has some restrictions, first, the Church needs permission to do the ordnance for the dead, from family members, if the person has been dead less than 100 years.
Second: the Church has promised that they would not do proxy ordnances for the Jewish people that were murdered during the Holocaust.
Small correction, they promised not to do Holocaust victims unless a family member submits them.
Should it even be done when it's submitted? I understand that they believe that they're saving that person and helping good people into heaven, but isn't it the same as if you spend your entire life devoted and following the Mormon faith but then decades later your family is a different religion so they decide to have you undergo religious rituals also. I mean if you're this devout Mormon would you want some person doing these things in your name just because they want to do them for you, not because you would have wanted it.
This has been discussed endlessly and the general LDS consensus is that if some other faith wants to perform rites in our name after our death, go ahead.