Waiting for evidence

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_Mercury
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Waiting for evidence

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What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


There is a vast difference between "values" and apologetics in support of the historicity of religious claims.
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


Belief in a polygamous space god and holding to a code of ethics is like comparing apples to a 1996 Ford pickup.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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skippy the dead wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


There is a vast difference between "values" and apologetics in support of the historicity of religious claims.


I agree but can't one guide the other? Don't most great discoveries come about because someone said, "What if"?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


Belief in a polygamous space god and holding to a code of ethics is like comparing apples to a 1996 Ford pickup.


I find a polygamous space god more likely than having a code of ethics....(We are talking about you right?)
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


Belief in a polygamous space god and holding to a code of ethics is like comparing apples to a 1996 Ford pickup.


I find a polygamous space god more likely than having a code of ethics....(We are talking about you right?)


Peronal attack? Methinks so.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Re: Waiting for evidence

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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:What other discipline relies on evidence to be discovered in the future for assumptions made in the present? Tirelessly we hear this refrain from apologists and TBM's as an excuse for holding onto belief in things that have been disproven time and time again.

Is this approach sound? What other disciplines take this same approach of establishing fact based on what could POSSIBLY be uncovered?

Holocaust denial and 911 conspiracies come to mind but this is not a serious discipline.


You mean we have no sound evidence we're giving to you. We (at least I) am a jerk that way.


:hands newhore a ball:

Go outside and play. Run along, now.


I want an X-Box 360 and then I'll leave.

In seriousness though, why do you adopt the values you do? Is it because there is evidence for them???


Belief in a polygamous space god and holding to a code of ethics is like comparing apples to a 1996 Ford pickup.


I find a polygamous space god more likely than having a code of ethics....(We are talking about you right?)


Peronal attack? Methinks so.


I hate to jump in, but I don't think I want to see this thread deteriorate quite so quickly...

Evidence for values Nehor? How'd you ge tto that. I think the point is that when a religious claim is disproved, evidence is deemed unreliable, unfair, or incomplete. I think it's a happening that is rampant in creationism's attack on evolutionary theories.
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