The lesson in Priesthood this morning was Obedience to the Commandments. Trouble is, when a couple of us asked, no one could say just what "The Commandments" were we were supposed to be obedient to. No one seemed to know where we would find out either as we get conflicting information from SLC/GA's on some stuff and many know that the Top Three don't make it easy... as GBH has shown with his statements that 'we really don't know much about anything' these days.
It was also brought up that a member in good standing only needs to believe a few basic things, but listing or defining those was not easy either.
What is going on with 'commandments' and 'beliefs' that folks can't even enumerate?
Obedience, commandments and belief
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Re: Obedience, commandments and belief
Mahonri wrote:What is going on with 'commandments' and 'beliefs' that folks can't even enumerate?
Plausible deniability.
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This morning the topic was the same and the Stake Pres was there. He said it is clear that you follow whatever the leaders tell you do do, even if you know it is wrong, and you will be blessed for it.
My response is that this kind of blind stupidity is what got Hitlers people in trouble. If you know something is wrong and you do it just because a leader tells you to do so you are an idiot and deserve to be punished for it. You can't pass on personal responsibility with "he told me to do it' and really expect anyone, including God, to excuse you. You can tell right from wrong and are responsible for your own actions.
The SP still says "Do it, and you will be blessed" and any eternal blame or consequences fall on the leader. We agreed to disagree on this one.
Won't even go into the further discussion of Your leader getting the Holy Ghost confirmation something is right and you getting the Holy Ghost confirmation it is wrong. Like a Bishop I know who set aside a primary leader and I voted NO at the public vote. He stopped it, we visited and I said my feeling was this guy is a slimeball, he went ahead with it and three months later the guy was arrested, subsequently convicted, of being a child molester.
Blind obedience to authority in any setting is asinine.
My response is that this kind of blind stupidity is what got Hitlers people in trouble. If you know something is wrong and you do it just because a leader tells you to do so you are an idiot and deserve to be punished for it. You can't pass on personal responsibility with "he told me to do it' and really expect anyone, including God, to excuse you. You can tell right from wrong and are responsible for your own actions.
The SP still says "Do it, and you will be blessed" and any eternal blame or consequences fall on the leader. We agreed to disagree on this one.
Won't even go into the further discussion of Your leader getting the Holy Ghost confirmation something is right and you getting the Holy Ghost confirmation it is wrong. Like a Bishop I know who set aside a primary leader and I voted NO at the public vote. He stopped it, we visited and I said my feeling was this guy is a slimeball, he went ahead with it and three months later the guy was arrested, subsequently convicted, of being a child molester.
Blind obedience to authority in any setting is asinine.