When the Prophet Speaks..., the thinking is done

[_Mahonri]

is the perfect justification for FLDS Polygamy and any other wierd or otherwise illegal/immoral business someone wants to get people to do.

If the people believe their Leader is speaking for God this foolishness can excuse anything, even murder.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

is the perfect justification for FLDS Polygamy and any other wierd or otherwise illegal/immoral business someone wants to get people to do.

If the people believe their Leader is speaking for God this foolishness can excuse anything, even murder.

Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own sword.

“Thus saith the Lord unto my servants the prophets,” Ron wrote. “It is my will and commandment that ye remove the following individuals in order that my work might go forward. For they have truly become obstacles in my path and I will not allow my work to be stopped. First thy brother’s wife Brenda and her baby, then Chloe Low and then Richard Stowe. And it is my will that they be removed in rapid succession.”

On the afternoon of July 24, 1984, Ron, 42, and Dan, 36, set out to fulfill the revelation. In a battered green station wagon, they drove to Allen and Brenda’s American Fork duplex, carrying with them a sawed-off shotgun, a .30-30 Winchester, a .270 deer rifle and two pearl-handled knives. They would use only the knives.

[_bcspace]

When the Prophet Speaks..., the thinking is done

Are you intellectually honest enough to give the reference to this phrase AND the Church's response?

[_Runtu]

When the Prophet Speaks..., the thinking is done

Are you intellectually honest enough to give the reference to this phrase AND the Church's response?

Has the church responded to the Daily Universe?

[_Dr. Shades]

Are you intellectually honest enough to give the reference to this phrase AND the Church's response?

"The church" never gave a response. The prophet gave a response to a single non-Mormon in order to shut him up. That response was never meant to be known to the Mormons at large.

[_Jason Bourne]

When the Prophet Speaks..., the thinking is done

Are you intellectually honest enough to give the reference to this phrase AND the Church's response?

There really is this idea that when the Prophet says do it you do it. Look at the two earring issue. Look at the speech Elder Bednar gave at BYU shortly after he was called to be an apostle. He uses the two earring story about at RM that dumped a girls because she had two earrings. He said it was not really the two earrings that was the issue but rather it was an apparent unwillingness of the girls to FOLLOW THE PROPHET IN ALL THINGS that caused this wonderful RM to dump the girl. Talks like this abound. Follow the brethren and you will not go wrong. Keep your eye on the prophet. He cannot lead the Church astray. the Lord would take him before he allowed that.

Like it or not BC there are many talks published by the Church that teach this concept. Thus this meets your own definition of doctrine. Is the statement "when the prophet speaks the thinking is done" doctrine. Maybe not is that exact wording. But the concept and ideas are.

[_Trevor]

There really is this idea that when the Prophet says do it you do it. Look at the two earring issue. Look at the speech Elder Bednar gave at BYU shortly after he was called to be an apostle. He uses the two earring story about at RM that dumped a girls because she had two earrings. He said it was not really the two earrings that was the issue but rather it was an apparent unwillingness of the girls to FOLLOW THE PROPHET IN ALL THINGS that caused this wonderful RM to dump the girl. Talks like this abound. Follow the brethren and you will not go wrong. Keep your eye on the prophet. He cannot lead the Church astray. the Lord would take him before he allowed that.

Like it or not BC there are many talks published by the Church that teach this concept. Thus this meets your own definition of doctrine. Is the statement "when the prophet speaks the thinking is done" doctrine. Maybe not is that exact wording. But the concept and ideas are.

Jason, I respect you. You don't compromise your own sense of what is true to please one doctrinaire position (LDS) or another (xLDS).

[_moksha]

Has the church responded to the Daily Universe?

Don't they run the Daily Universe?

[_bcspace]

"The church" never gave a response. The prophet gave a response to a single non-Mormon in order to shut him up.

Like it or not BC there are many talks published by the Church that teach this concept. Thus this meets your own definition of doctrine. Is the statement "when the prophet speaks the thinking is done" doctrine. Maybe not is that exact wording. But the concept and ideas are.

These responses illustrate the fallacy of looking only at one side of the coin. For example....

These and the other truths are certainties. However, your conviction of their reality must come from your own understanding of truth, from your own application of divine law and your willingness to seek the confirming witness of the Spirit. Your testimony may begin from acknowledgment that the teachings of the Lord seem reasonable. But it must grow from practicing those laws. Then your own experience will attest to their validity and yield the results promised. That confirmation will not all come at once. A strong testimony comes line upon line, precept upon precept. It requires faith, time, consistent obedience, and a willingness to sacrifice.

A strong testimony cannot be built upon a weak foundation. Therefore, don’t pretend you believe something when you are not sure of it. Seek to receive a ratifying witness. Wrestle in mighty prayer, living righteously, and ask for a spiritual confirmation. The beauty of the teachings of the Lord is that they are true and that you can confirm them for yourself. Hone your spiritual susceptibility by being constantly alert to the guidance that will come through the still, small voice of the Spirit. Let your Father in Heaven know of your feelings, your needs, your concerns, your hopes and aspirations. Speak to Him with total confidence, knowing that He will hear and respond. Then patiently go forth in your life doing those things you know are correct, walking with confidence born of faith and righteousness, patiently waiting for the response that will come in the manner and at the time the Lord considers most appropriate. 10

Richard G. Scott, “The Power of a Strong Testimony,” Ensign, Nov 2001, 87

For every follow the prophet teaching you find, I can find an equally doctrinal teaching on finding out the truth for yourself.

[_Jason Bourne]

"The church" never gave a response. The prophet gave a response to a single non-Mormon in order to shut him up.

Like it or not BC there are many talks published by the Church that teach this concept. Thus this meets your own definition of doctrine. Is the statement "when the prophet speaks the thinking is done" doctrine. Maybe not is that exact wording. But the concept and ideas are.

These responses illustrate the fallacy of looking only at one side of the coin. For example....

These and the other truths are certainties. However, your conviction of their reality must come from your own understanding of truth, from your own application of divine law and your willingness to seek the confirming witness of the Spirit. Your testimony may begin from acknowledgment that the teachings of the Lord seem reasonable. But it must grow from practicing those laws. Then your own experience will attest to their validity and yield the results promised. That confirmation will not all come at once. A strong testimony comes line upon line, precept upon precept. It requires faith, time, consistent obedience, and a willingness to sacrifice.

A strong testimony cannot be built upon a weak foundation. Therefore, don’t pretend you believe something when you are not sure of it. Seek to receive a ratifying witness. Wrestle in mighty prayer, living righteously, and ask for a spiritual confirmation. The beauty of the teachings of the Lord is that they are true and that you can confirm them for yourself. Hone your spiritual susceptibility by being constantly alert to the guidance that will come through the still, small voice of the Spirit. Let your Father in Heaven know of your feelings, your needs, your concerns, your hopes and aspirations. Speak to Him with total confidence, knowing that He will hear and respond. Then patiently go forth in your life doing those things you know are correct, walking with confidence born of faith and righteousness, patiently waiting for the response that will come in the manner and at the time the Lord considers most appropriate. 10

Richard G. Scott, “The Power of a Strong Testimony,” Ensign, Nov 2001, 87

For every follow the prophet teaching you find, I can find an equally doctrinal teaching on finding out the truth for yourself.

But one can never conclude that the truth is something other than what the prophet of the day is teaching. If you do then you are not doing this from your own quote:

then your own experience will attest to their validity and yield the results promised. That confirmation will not all come at once. A strong testimony comes line upon line, precept upon precept. It requires faith, time, consistent obedience, and a willingness to sacrifice.

So if I do not get the testimony I lack faith and obedience.

Plus your comment that:

For every follow the prophet teaching you find, I can find an equally doctrinal teaching on finding out the truth for yourself.

Shows exactly how confusing and conflicting LDS doctrine is at times.