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FP: Let’s talk about the Gardens for a moment.

Asghar: Allah created seven Gardens at the time He created the Universe, which includes the seven skies. On them are located all the Gardens. Each Garden’s width is equivalent to the entire width of the sky it is located on, as well as the width of the earth (the Quran; 3:133). In each Garden live various creatures like that of the earth (the Quran; 10:66). The Prophet Muhammad had seen all of them with his own eyes, when he paid a visit to Allah, whose Throne and Residences are presumably located in the Garden that is located on the seventh sky.

All the Gardens have many security gates (the Quran;13:23), manned by angels. All of them have rivers (the Quran; 54:54 et al), flowing with milk and honey (the Quran;47:15) and pure and crystal clear water and delicious wine (the Quran; 76:5 et al), the taste of all of which never changes. The inhabitants of the Gardens will drink wine from goblets (the Quran; 43:71) Allah has crafted for them.

Tall and green Lote-trees without thorns and Talh trees (the Quran; 56:28,29) not only perpetually bear cluster of delectable fruits (the Quran;76:14) and add beauty to the Gardens, they will also provide protection to their inhabitants from the non-existing sun’s heat. Beneath them are laid out comfortable but throne-like benches for the Gardens’ effeminate inhabitants, who will be wearing bracelets of gold, green garments of fine silk and heavy brocade (cf. the Quran; 18:31), and reclining on them, they will conduct their social intercourse among themselves (the Quran; 76:7) and thank Allah for the favors He will bestow on them (the Quran; 10:10).

Allocation of space in the Gardens by Allah will be subject to the ranks He will grant to Muslims, keeping in His mind their performance on earth (the Quran;52:20). Rank number I will go the prophets and apostles who taught and led mankind; the second to the sincere devotees of Truth, who supported His Cause in person and with all their resources; the third to the Martyrs and Witnesses who suffered and served His Cause, and the fourth to the righteous people; generally, those who led ordinary lives, but always with righteous aims.

The higher the rank the better accommodation and treatments its holder will receive in the Gardens. For instance, the residents of the higher Garden, which is also known as the Paradise, will drink their wine from Golden goblets; the residents of the lower ones will drink theirs from the silver ones (the Quran; 76:16). Despite their division into four categories, all the inhabitants of the Gardens will form one equal Brotherhood of Peace, one Society of Concord (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, the Holy Quran; vol. 2, p. 1467). This will eliminate the sense of jealousy, ill-will and competition from the Garden dwellers, thus making their lives most peaceful and dignified.

Everything in the Gardens will be for the enjoyment of their residents. In them, their male residents will have companions who will provide them with immense pleasure without feeling shame or dislike of their clients. Bashful with dark eyes and virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches (the Quran; 37:48 & 49), and as young as the men themselves (the Quran; 38:52), the companions (Hurs) will provide them constant company and sex.

Those men who will not have interest in sex with the female Hurs, Allah has made arrangement for them as well: they shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholder’s eyes will seem like sprinkled pearls. When their clients will gaze upon that scene (what scene it will be is not known), they will behold a kingdom blissful and glorious (The Quran; 76:19-20, as translated by N. J. Dawood). Those boys will be wearing fine silk and heavy brocade, and they will be adorned with bracelets of silver. Allah will make them drunk (cf. the Quran; 76:21), so that they can serve their clients to their entire satisfaction.

The Zoroastrian heaven is also multi-tiered.

Why is it both Mormons and Moslems will have more than one wife in the Celestial heavens

aussieguy55 wrote:Why is it both Mormons and Moslems will have more than one wife in the Celestial heavens

Because the men who created these religions considered women as subservient objects to be used for their sexual pleasure.

Simple as that.

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1) There's good reason to believe that the "houris" of paradise were borrowed, in the Qur’an, from Syriac Christian poetry of the previous two centuries.

2) Tiered conceptions of heaven were very common in antiquity. The word heaven (in the singular) scarcely occurs in the Bible; typically it is the plural heavens (Heb. shamayim; Grk. ouranoi).

3) "Simple as that"? Hardly. Though I can easily imagine that living in a world of simplistic obviousness would have its pluses.

Daniel Peterson wrote:1) There's good reason to believe that the "houris" of paradise were borrowed, in the Qur’an, from Syriac Christian poetry of the previous two centuries.

2) Tiered conceptions of heaven were very common in antiquity. The word heaven (in the singular) scarcely occurs in the Bible; typically it is the plural heavens (Heb. shamayim; Grk. ouranoi).

3) "Simple as that"? Hardly. Though I can easily imagine that living in a world of simplistic obviousness would have its pluses.

The fact that myths are often based on or influenced by previous myths doesn't negate the fact that the originators of the various myths create their myths based on their beliefs, ideas, and experiences.

Question?

Meet Beggar.

Daniel Peterson wrote:Question?

Meet Beggar.

Clarity please, Daniel.

Is it safe to assume you agree that newer myths based on older myths still retain a smidgen of the older myths, in this case that men do not see women as their equals?

Do you see the similiarities in the Muslim concept of heaven and the Mormon concept of heaven to be traced back to the Abrahamic myth?

Many similarirties between Mormons and Muslims.

Both start with the letter M.

Polygamy.

Both started by a man who claimed he spoke with a heavenly messenger, who told him to write a book.

Both stress that their book is more correct than any other book and their followers SHOULD read it very often.

Both teach that their book will answer life's tough questions.

Both subjugate women below men.

Both believe the righteous man will be rewarded with more wives in heaven.

Both taught punishment based on cutting a sinners throat so that the blood can spill on the ground.

Both teach that all other religions are wrong.

Tiered heavens.

Others?

Do Muslims wear sacred undies?

It seems to me the specific promises that Islam offers generates a strong religious fervor and willingness to sacrifice in its followers.

In my experience, Islamic women in their full covering and dress don't strike me as depressed or abused. They seem proud of their religious convictions and walk with their heads held high. I think they're happy because they believe in the promises offered them in the next life as well. I don't think this attitude is the result of being beaten down and conditioned to believe they have less potential for happiness than men do. They must see their own good in it somewhere.

While I don't agree with the Islamic belief system, I do believe that their works and sacrifice will not be completely in vain. To me Newton's second law applies to spiritual matters as well. I can't help but respect their fasting, committment to family, and faith in the afterlife. The universe always has a way of balancing itself out.