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Could you give us a summary of this book and how it resembles content of the Book of Mormon??

http://www.archive.org/details/dergoldenetopf17362gut

Thank you.

MCB,

Google the terms
The Golden Pot Thomas Carlyle
to reach a download of a PDF of Carlyle's 1827 translation at Google books.

You can also find a brief discussion of the nature of the translation in the
Encyclopedia of literary translation into English, Volume 1, pg. 645

That popped up on Google when I added translation to the Google search.

Best,

T

Thank you. It starts on page 23. http://ia311324.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... 02carl.pdf

First published in English in 1827!!! Now, let's see where Mark Hoffman went wrong in his attempt to discredit Mormonism.

It is really weird. A lot of hallucinations and Satanic imagery. Haven't seen much yet that rings a bell. In between that and listening to the endowment, I think I need a break! LOL.

any official translation would be better than my Ebonics summary.

LOL That is what you get from being multilingual in a multilingual environment.

It is a downright bizarre story. I gave it up after a while, can only take it in bits and pieces. He must have been exposed to rye ergot. <rolls eyes>

Enjoy Greece. Wish I could be there.

P. 77:

Every strait, every little care of his needy existence, had
vanished from his thoughts ; and in the new life, which had
risen on him as in serene sunny splendour, he comprehended
all the wonders of a higher world, which before had filled him
with astonishment, nay, with dread. His copying proceeded
rapidly and lightly; for he felt more and more as if he were
writing characters long known to him ; and he scarcely needed
to cast his eye upon the manuscript, while copying it all with
the greatest exactness.

P.85:

" O my Serpentina ! my own Serpentina ! " cried the Student
Anselmus, " how could I leave thee, how should I not love
thee for ever ! " A kiss was burning on his lips ; he awoke
as from a deep dream : Serpentina had vanished ; six o'clock
was striking, and it fell heavy on his heart that today he had
not copied a single stroke. Full of anxiety, and dreading
reproaches from the Archivarius, he looked into the sheet;
and, O wonder ! the copy of the mysterious manuscript was
fairly concluded ; and he thought, on viewing the characters
more narrowly, that the writing was nothing else but Serpentina^
story of her father, the favourite of the Spirit-prince
Phosphorus, in Atlantis, the Land of Marvels. And now
entered Archivarius Lindhorst, in his light-grey surtout, with
hat and staff: he looked into the parchment on which
Anselmus had been writing ; took a large pinch of snuff, and
said with a smile : " Just as I thought !—Well, Herr Anselmus,
here is your speziesthaler ;

P. 113:

For the vision, in which I had now beheld Anselmus bodily,
in his Freehold of Atlantis, I stand indebted to the arts of
the Salamander ; and most fortunate was it that, when all
had melted into air, I found a paper lying on the violettable,
with the foregoing statement of the matter, written
fairly and distinctly by my own hand. But now I felt myself
as if transpierced and torn in pieces by sharp sorrow.

Done. Not much, but definitely enough to addle the brain of someone already addled by Mormonism. Probably coincidental.

This is one of those creative works that could damage the testimony of people vulnerable to explanations of automatic writing through Satanic inspiration.

The Golden Pot was never much thought of as resembling the Book of Mormon. The charge that was raised by Grant Palmer was that it served as inspiration for Joseph's discovery narrative (finding the Gold Plates) and other elements in his personal history. The most significant connection that he asserted was related to the salamander from the letter among the Mark Hofmann forgeries (there is quite a bit about that in the early version that Palmer wrote and distributed under the pseudonym of Paul Pry - before he knew that it was a forgery). When it was discovered that the letter was a forgery, Palmer was forced to take the Salamander material largely out the equation, but he continued with the theory - and the revised theory can be read in his book An Insider's View of Mormon Origins. There, he lays out a rather torturous scenario, in which Joseph didn't actually have access to the book (in either it's original German or in translation) but became aware of its contents through others. It is a rather problematic argument, but he clearly seems to be arguing for some kind of dependence of the one on the other. The work itself is not all that different from the flavor of German romanticism of which it is a part. (It isn't the kind of stuff I read for enjoyment either).

Ben M.

Yeah, I think it is just a culturally-determined coincidence. The Satanic imagery is incompatible with the "pious fraud theory" and "white magic"

Benjamin McGuire wrote: The most significant connection that he asserted was related to the salamander from the letter among the Mark Hofmann forgeries (there is quite a bit about that in the early version that Palmer wrote and distributed under the pseudonym of Paul Pry - before he knew that it was a forgery).

Ben M.

I thought it was the salamander inclusion by Mark Hoffman that made the forgery believable to Church leaders.