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God has one celestial wife?

All spirit children were created all at once?

All spirit children are created as male or female?

All spirit children are created in complete adult form?

All spirit children have equal intellgence?

All spirit children have equal spiritual capabilities?

Spirit children were only judged for whom they chose to follow, not for anything else?

Families were established well before coming to earth?

The time period of pre-existence is unknown?

Some modern and ancient prophets were established in the pre-existence based on what criteria?

Those who were most valiant in the pre-existence were either predestined to fullfil either an important role, come in the latter-days, or come to earth mentally handicapped?

Wisdom Seeker wrote:God has one celestial wife?

Not known, but probably not.

All spirit children were created all at once?

Incorrect.

All spirit children are created as male or female?

Correct.

All spirit children are created in complete adult form?

Incorrect.

All spirit children have equal intellgence?

Intelligences, or things that have the ability to make choices (what I think they are), were distributed singularly.

All spirit children have equal spiritual capabilities?

No, there are many called but few chosen. You are placed where is good for you. Exaltation is possible for all spirits should they choose to take the path.

Spirit children were only judged for whom they chose to follow, not for anything else?

Spirit Children did not rely on faith at the time, thus they were fully responsible for their actions. Thus why 1/3 fell for rebelling. Whether this was the only incident is not known.

Families were established well before coming to earth?

Not specified, but Father surely knew, and we may have.

The time period of pre-existence is unknown?

Yep.

Some modern and ancient prophets were established in the pre-existence based on what criteria?

Based on what position they would be good at, but would properly provide them the training they needed specifically to reach HF's goal. That is, each person's life and challenges are specifically tailored to meet their need to reach that goal.

Those who were most valiant in the pre-existence were either predestined to fullfil either an important role, come in the latter-days, or come to earth mentally handicapped?

No on the important roles. There were some whom will be humble here on Earth, and will obtain an important role.

Handicaps may have been provided to help people in certain cases, but having a 'handicap' myself, I have to say I'm rather grateful.

TAO wrote:

All spirit children are created as male or female?

Correct.

All spirit children are created in complete adult form?

Incorrect.

How are these known?

Thanks for your response.

It seems to me that if there was not judgement in the pre-existence there was at the very least an evaluation based upon what pre-existence skills one might have. But even downplaying judgement to an evaluation is based upon something every pre-mortal being had no control over, let's call it personality DNA.

If God wants humility and favors humility but your pre-mortal personality DNA did not have much of the humility gene, then the only thing that can be blamed is DNA and not the cards you were dealt.

I hope this made sense as I was just trying to understand the LDS concept of how the pre-existence affected our lives on earth.

NorthboundZax wrote:

TAO wrote:How are these known?

Proc. to the World for the first and a D&C verse infers the second one, though you are right, it is not 'known'

What is known about the pre-existence?
Nothing.

All spirit children have equal intellgence?
No, most of them have no intellIgence at all.

ludwigm wrote:What is known about the pre-existence?
Nothing.

All spirit children have equal intellgence?
No, most of them have no intellIgence at all.

If they all lacked intellegence then the story can not be true. To make a decision such as who to follow, requires some evaluation and intellegence and one third decided to follow Satan. Perhaps, God wanted to see who would use intellegence in the pre-existence and who would simply follow their heart and threw out one of the two camps.

Wisdom Seeker wrote:Thanks for your response.

No probelm, your questions seemed very polite and those are the sorts I enjoy answering.

It seems to me that if there was not judgement in the pre-existence there was at the very least an evaluation based upon what pre-existence skills one might have.

Well this is the way I understand it (but don't consider it the position of the church, my beliefs are not precisely those). Basically, when we were spiritually born, we were... imperfect. We were born with 'flaws' in us. Thus, the use of trials on Earth. Also the reason Satan was able to fall even in the pre-existence, due to his own wants, despite (I think) not being tempted. Then when we came to Earth, we were given weaknesses. A weakness is an area in which we may be tempted. These weaknesses were there to allow trials to have an effect on us, that way, we could fix the 'imperfections' that were in us when we were first spiritually begotten. Our trials on Earth were also specifically picked for us, so that each and every one of us had the chance to overcome all of our flaws.

Again, not the position of the church, but that's how it makes sense to me. I think people can still sin without being tempted, if they desire to sin. But who knows, I may be viewing it wrong.

But even downplaying judgement to an evaluation is based upon something every pre-mortal being had no control over, let's call it personality DNA.

But this is the point actually; you were given trials which gave you the perfect opportunity to overcome your flaws, your imperfections, no matter what they be. Therefore, no matter what your flaws are, no matter what your trials are, they are yours to bear; they were chosen for you and you only. They are yours to own, and you have a responsibility to overcome them. You have a capability to overcome them. It's encouraging and scary at the same time 0.o.

If God wants humility and favors humility but your pre-mortal personality DNA did not have much of the humility gene, then the only thing that can be blamed is DNA and not the cards you were dealt.

No, that's why trials are given to us based on our imperfections. They make you capable of overcoming all your problems, if you desire to. They make it so your choice is all that matters.

I hope this made sense as I was just trying to understand the LDS concept of how the pre-existence affected our lives on earth.

Yah, I think I understood what you meant... but tell me if I misinterpreted something.

Happy Searching, and yah, if you have more questions, feel free. =)

-TAO

TAO wrote:Proc. to the World for the first and a D&C verse infers the second one, though you are right, it is not 'known'

Which verse in the D&C?

Per the Proc, what should we infer about intersexes in the pre-existence?

For us, it has already happened.