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Latin scholar, please

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:24 pm
by _MCB
Nephi's unambiguous prophecies were dictated by Smith after the events they were intended to foretell—a textbook example of vaticinium ex eventu (prophecy after the event).
http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/book/chapter10.htm#exegesis

I use the term "ex post facto prophecy." It seems to me to be more easily understood. Is there a more appropriate term?

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:42 pm
by _Quasimodo
MCB wrote:
Nephi's unambiguous prophecies were dictated by Smith after the events they were intended to foretell—a textbook example of vaticinium ex eventu (prophecy after the event).
http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/book/chapter10.htm#exegesis

I use the term "ex post facto prophecy." It seems to me to be more easily understood. Is there a more appropriate term?


Not a scholar, but have studied Latin a little. "After the action" does seem to work, but "vaticinium ex eventu" (prediction after the event) might be a better description.

Why use Latin? Almost no one understands it. One of the few things that annoyed me in Joseph Campbell's writings (although I love Campbell) is that he would often quote in the original language and give you no translation. Leaving you to look it up yourself.

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:07 pm
by _MCB
Yeah, "prediction after the event" is more appropriate, given my tendency to lambaste people who obfuscate with big words.

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:28 am
by _MCB
I went flexible, rephrasing it better to fit each context.

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:50 am
by _moksha
Soup du Jour prophecy.

Hope that helps.

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:09 am
by _Quasimodo
moksha wrote:Soup du Jour


I've ordered soup du jour many times. It's always different? :)

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:16 am
by _moksha
Quasimodo wrote:
moksha wrote:Soup du Jour


I've ordered soup du jour many times. It's always different? :)


After the event prophecies and the soup of the day always have that fresh quality.

I predict that a bowl of lobster bisque or split pea will taste yummy around 11:59 AM.

Re: Latin scholar, please

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:52 pm
by _MCB
Woe to the perjured nation, for whose sake the renowned city shall come to ruin. The ships shall rejoice at so great an augmentation, and one shall be made of two. It shall be rebuilt by Eric, loaden with apples, to the smell whereof the birds of several woods shall flock together. He shall add to it a vast palace, and wall it around with six hundred towers. Therefore shall London envy it, and triply increase her walls. The river Thames shall encompass it round, and the frame of the work shall pass beyond the Alps. Eric shall hide his apples within it, and shall make subterranean passages. At that them the stones shall speak, and the sea towards the Gallic coast be contrasted into a narrow space. On each bank shall one man hear another, and the soil of the island shall be enlarged. The secrets of the deep shall be revealed, and Gaul shall tremble for fear. After these things shall come a hern from the forest of Aclaterium, which shall fly round the island for two years together…. (Monmouth)


Geoffrey of Monmouth's history of the Kings of England.
The earliest one to appear was probably the Prophetiae Merlini (Prophecies of Merlin), which he wrote at some point before 1135, and which appears both independently and incorporated into the Historia Regum Britanniae. It consists of a series of obscure prophetic utterances attributed to Merlin, which Geoffrey claimed to have translated from an unspecified language. In this work Geoffrey drew from the established Welsh tradition of prophetic writing attributed to the sage Myrddin, though his knowledge of Myrddin's story at this stage in his career appears to have been slight.[6] Many of its prophecies referring to historical and political events up to Geoffrey's lifetime can be identified – for example, the sinking of the White Ship in 1120, when William Adelin, son of Henry I, died.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_of_Monmouth

Very similar to the Book of Mormon, but written better.

Here is something for the people who are attracted to the topic:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/vm/vmlat.htm

Woops!!
Merlin called his companions out from the battle and bade them bury the brothers in a richly coloured chapel; and he bewailed the men and did not cease to pour out laments, and he strewed dust on his hair and rent his garments, and prostrate on the ground rolled now hither and now thither. Peredur strove to console him and so did the nobles and princes, but he would not be comforted nor put up with their beseeching words. He had now lamented for three whole days and had refused food, so great was the grief that consumed him.


Here we see a conflation of characters: Merlin as both Coriantumr and Ether