UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied.

[_Ray A]

UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied.

Hope you enjoy it. It’s 1:34:02 long, but worth every minute of attention. I strongly encourage those of a more open-minded disposition to view this. I’m not wasting my time on irrational sceptics anymore. Skepticism is healthy, but I do honestly believe that there is something such as irrational scepticism. This occurs when a person dismisses evidence based on a priori assumptions, such as “that is not possible”, and “it could never happen”. Could people living before the time of Christ imagine “flying machines”? Could they imagine them travelling faster than the speed of sound (not even a concept at the time). No one even knew anything about “sound waves”, or that sound had a “barrier”.

Since this is “Mormon discussions”, I’ll comment on this phenomenon as it relates to Mormonism before I go any further. Do aliens and UFOs threaten Mormonism? Not in the least. It may even enhance Mormon claims. The “material” aspects of Joseph Smith’s religion tie in with this in an almost uncanny way. When Joseph declared that God is “an exalted man”, that came frightfully close to what we now know about advanced civilisations and technologies, of which Arthur C. Clake commented that to us, it would seem like “magic”. Miracle working.

But this isn’t all there is to this phenomenon. It appears to be so complex (as you’ll see in the film), that it involves phenomena that appear to come from another, for want of a better word, “spiritual” dimension. As Warren Aston pointed out long ago, our biggest mistake has been to assume that there is a “single answer” to all of this, and his online summary is, without doubt, one of the best I’ve ever read on the UFO/Alien question:

Finding the hard answers to Earth's greatest mystery within a scientific paradigm.

I must have read this a dozen times, yet each time I read it I gather something worth more contemplation. From the article:

Anyone who is in any doubt whatsoever about the reality of the phenomenon is simply not acquainted with the evidence about what is going on. The evidence that something is happening which defies conventional science is abundant, unambiguous, and is readily available in every category imaginable. UFO’s are a long-term, world-wide, multi-cultural reality with much more physical evidence available than most of us realise. The mounting evidence that UFO’s and aliens are real and are part of the future for all of us deserves our most serious attention and best efforts to understand it.

I’ll summarise the film “UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied”, and leave those with open minds to judge for themselves.

Believe me, this is worth the journey, even though it won’t win some critics and those with horse-blinders on.

There are, according to “insider reports”, some 38 levels of secrecy above "Top Secret”.

Only about 25 people on earth today know what’s contained in “Above Top Secret”.

Not even US presidents are allowed access to this. Jimmy Carter was denied access, as was Bill Clinton.

There are possibly only two US presidents who have come close to accessing “Above Top Secret”; Eisenhower and George Bush Snr. , and Bush Snr said that if the public knew what they were concealing, “we would be lynched”.

Eisenhower spoke of “future wars” as being not against other countries, but aliens trying to invade our planet, which was the germ seed of the space weapons program, to kill or shoot out of the sky potential “alien invaders”. After Roswell, the “alien threat” was taken very seriously, and that is one reason why it has remained “top secret”, because the US government perceives their superior technology as a threat to national security. They could, hypothetically, take over the whole earth, almost bringing to reality H.G. Wells’ novel The War of the Worlds.

The US government said that weapons in space were necessary not only for national security, but to destroy “approaching asteroids”. Their real concern was the threat of an alien invasion.

Contact with extraterrestrials has been made, and this has led to “closet” technology beyond our imagination. It has the capability to transform the planet to being non-dependent on fossils fuels, which could solve the energy crisis, but transferring to this advanced technology could send the world into economic ruin, as so many jobs rely on fossil fuels. Another reason for non-disclosure. No one is sure how this transfer should, or could be made, nor how to solve an impending and urgent crisis in unemployment resulting from the transfer.

The US military has concealed technologies so advanced that Ben Rich (don’t’ depend on the PC Wiki to find this) admitted:

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

“We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

The US military learned how to develop anti-gravity propulsion systems by studying alien craft. These are craft that can fly close to the speed of light, but doesn’t exempt other inter-galaxy “alien” systems which may have countered inter-dimensional travel, arriving at any point in time they wish to.

There is a MASSIVE worldwide UFO/Alien cover up. Sadly, perhaps, they may well hold the secrets to the real origins of Humankind, and the fact that we originally came from the stars, and this planet is only our temporary habitation in the “Eternal Journey” to immortality.

PS: I will not be replying to dogmatic bigots living in the Stone Age.

Hope you all have a great day.

[_moksha]

I pledge to keep an open mind about this UFO hush up Ray.

by the way, might I suggest these aliens not do such an extensive probe on Glenn Beck next time. Those video clips of him post rectal surgery were frightening - at least not something for the very sensitive among us. The aftermath of the probe also left him with some fairly delusional and paranoid ideation.

[_madeleine]

ummm, having an open mind regarding life elsewhere in the universe doesn't require one believes that life to be God (or gods).

But, L Ron Hubbard agreed with you.

[_Inconceivable]

Hi Ray,

I found this documentary fascinating. When I was younger I spent more time looking up and witnessed some very amazing things.

So far as the church being affected by the certainty of ET's, I think it would destroy their craft. When public discourse becomes open between worlds I think it will be apparent that intelligent life (and even more intelligent than us) does not necessarilly take on human form.

And what kind of religeons do you suppose ET's practice?

When the great unwashed of this planet discover that they may be less evolved than the children of other Gods, there are going to be problems. - fear, uncertainty, ignorance, violence, unfounded prejudice etc. White supremacy may take on a great deal more followers and even a whole new meaning.

Why else do you think a more highly evolved race would prefer to avoid public interaction? I would think this subject would be of primary concern to them.

[_Quasimodo]

And what kind of religeons do you suppose ET's practice?

The pilgrims on the moon are probably Mormons. My guess is the rest of them are agnostics. :)

[_Dr. Shades]

The pilgrims on the moon are probably Mormons. My guess is the rest of them are agnostics. :)

Those are Quakers, not pilgrims.

[_Ray A]

ummm, having an open mind regarding life elsewhere in the universe doesn't require one believes that life to be God (or gods).

“God/s” in comparison to ourselves only. As in The Gods Must Be Crazy. Like Newton, we should feel like we’ve only been playing with a few pebbles on infinite seashore. The probability that some species in the universe have attained the key to eternal life is not low, in my opinion. Things like resurrecting dead bodies would also not be out of the question. And then there is, as per Warren Aston’s article, other entities and dimensions not even within our physical comprehension, nor how they might interact with us, and what their boundaries and limitations are. What we now think impossible and complete fiction, could one day become reality. That doesn’t mean I’d necessarily limit God (or, the Ultimate God, if you like) to any physical form. It is specious to think that we have anything even remotely approaching “ultimate truth”. That’s what “keeping an open mind is about”, knowing that you don’t have all the answers.

But, L Ron Hubbard agreed with you.

I’m only vaguely aware of Hubbard’s theories about this, but maybe that is one of the main attractions in Scientology for many?

So far as the church being affected by the certainty of ET's, I think it would destroy their craft. When public discourse becomes open between worlds I think it will be apparent that intelligent life (and even more intelligent than us) does not necessarilly take on human form.

I have no disagreement with that Inc., that intelligent life elsewhere must necessarily take on human form. In fact, I would think that odd, myself. But I think there are gems of truth in Mormon “theology”. Brigham Young’s teaching that the Genesis creation story is really a “child story” not to be taken seriously by adults, for one, and that “Adam” was actually “brought here from another planet”, is all now bordering on heresy, if not actually heresy in the LDS Church. We’ve already seen how God’s status as a man who lived on another world has been downgraded, if only publicly, to “I’m not sure that we teach that”. It seems like Joseph Smith wanted the Saints to expand their minds, but what has gone on is more like a severe contracting, or what Quinn called “from Sacred Grove to Sacral Power Structure”. And this is what seems to part of the “malaise of the modern Church”.

How a physical universe may interact with a “spiritual” one (in the sense of Smith’s revelation that there is no such thing as “immaterial matter”) is anyone’s guess. I think the “craft” has already been severely damaged, if not destroyed, by power structures and things which Jesus called seeking “the praise of men” (also sternly [and magnificently in my opinion] forewarned about in Section 121).

And what kind of religeons do you suppose ET's practice?

I would think not the kind that we do, for the most part, if they do (perhaps too evolved for that). My reading of various “encounters” (all subject to speculation of course) is that some of them have acknowledged a “Divine Source” that “guides the universe”, but apparently isn’t too interested in whether we blow our nose in yellow or white tissue paper, so to speak.

When the great unwashed of this planet discover that they may be less evolved than the children of other Gods, there are going to be problems. - fear, uncertainty, ignorance, violence, unfounded prejudice etc. White supremacy may take on a great deal more followers and even a whole new meaning.

I haven’t given much thought to that particular problem. One thing that does seem certain is that there are advanced, and not so advanced humanoids, and they do not necessarily take on “whiteness” as a sign of “advancement”. Nor size, since some of them have been reported (a great many actually) as being no more than three and a half feet tall, with “gray” skin. The “stereotype” of the alien fits with many eyewitness reports. Aliens who look exactly like us have also been reported. Now how all this fits in with human evolution don’t ask me, but I don’t think there’s any need to deny that evolution has occurred, here, and on other planets in the galaxy and universe. I would think that evolution is a natural law throughout the universe, and that human beings aren’t instantly created out of earth dust and then later tempted by talking serpents who subsequently become legless (myth has its place, though).

When Richard Dawkins was asked to provide a hypothetical scenario of how he imagined God might come into being, he provided the scenario that whoever “God” is, he would have to have gone through a similar or exact evolutionary process as we have. It seems clear he accepts no "God" outside of natural evolutionary processes. I should stress that this was a hypothetical he later regretted providing to Ben Stein, and insisted he had been misunderstood:

Judge for yourself: Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview.

I did some forum reading on this, and noted that some of Dawkins most devoted followers (by no means a majority though) thought he had “lost the plot” by even providing (or conceding) this hypothetical.

Why else do you think a more highly evolved race would prefer to avoid public interaction? I would think this subject would be of primary concern to them.

When the US government is talking about space-based weapons to shoot at potential “invading aliens” (and not helped by Stephen Hawking seriously suggesting that this could one day be a real possibility; “Cortes-like” alien invaders from space, or “nomads” who rape and destroy cultures and move on), it is clearly because of our aggression. We are simply not advanced enough yet “spiritually”, nor yet mature enough. You saw in the video how advanced technologies are already being used for corporate profit, and that is another symptom for fear on their part. It is obvious that if they wanted to destroy us that could have been done long ago, so they clearly have other motives for persevering with us.

[_Quasimodo]

The pilgrims on the moon are probably Mormons. My guess is the rest of them are agnostics. :)

Those are Quakers, not pilgrims.

My nevermo ignorance is showing again! If they are Quakers, I guess they would not be Mormons (unless missionary efforts were more successful on the moon).

[_Darth J]

I think it is very apropos to have a thread on ufology on a board dedicated to talking about religious faith.

Ufology apologists are essentially indistinguishable from Mormon apologists, so it certainly fits the theme.

And ufology even has its own Daniel Peterson. His name is Stanton Friedman.

(That's not completely fair, though. Dr. Peterson actually does teach in his chosen field. Stan Friedman has done nothing but UFO apologetics since the 1970's).

I wonder where we're going to find some UFO artifacts. Maybe in Zarahemla?

[_Ray A]

I think it is very apropos to have a thread on ufology on a board dedicated to talking about religious faith.

Obviously you missed all the references to Mormonism and God, Brigham Young and speculation on creation; a Mormon Ufologist; Dawkins on God, etc.

I understand your urge, though, to mock what you don't [want] understand.