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Such assertions are merely heresy, i.e., error in teaching.

Obi will be unable to trot out anything from LDS leaders that support such heresies.

"LTG" = "Limited Theory Geography??"

haa haa..... Other than that I'm still trying to figure out what he's even saying.
It seems he's saying that there are no LDS statements of what amounts to a LGT?
Well, he would be wrong. Every Mormon knows a small group of people landed in the America's, and that there were other people around.

Both LGT and Hemispheric is LDS teaching, however, they are two different subjects.
Anti-mormons trying to claim the two are the same subject are "flawed" in their judgment just as they are flawed in their judgment about anything about Mormonism. They don't interpret leaders words or otherwise according to "intent", context, etc..

For example, the Intro to the Book of Mormon didn't actually need to be changed, because it's still a true statement. Lamanites refers to anyone "non-Nephite" per the Book of Mormon and most LDS leaders statements. It was not meant to imply a "genetic" link to Laman/Lemual, although in certain respects certain statements can be, but certainly not all. But, to help eliminate any confusion with those who don't actually understand the Book of Mormon or the Church, they reasonably removed the statement.

Obi wan,

Please can you refer me to where the Church officially teaches both the LGT and Hemispheric theories?

Also can you refer me to one, just one, official Church statement where it is explained that Lamanites is anyone in the America's who wasn't a Nephite?

Thanks

Obi simply can't give any official teaching on that.

"Lamanite" was/is the Book of Mormon equivalent of the Bibles "Gentile"....

People who actually know Mormonism and the Book of Mormon know this.
This is why most leaders through history called all natives of the America's "Lamanite".
They DID NOT do so because they thought everyone was "only" decended from Laman and Lemual. Maybe there was the rare idiot who did, but most actually know the Book of Mormon and know very well that there are multiple peoples spoken of in the Book of Mormon, not simply the "Lamanites" (i.e. the local version).

So, people who actually know the Book of Mormon know that "Lamanite" was not only a term used to refer to the local Lamanites, but was used to refer to ALL non-Nephite peoples, similar to the word "Gentile" in the Bible.

You guys have no clue that it's your ignorance and pre-judgments of Mormonism which makes you make many many false judgments of it. I know because I myself did it a little on a couple of subjects, leaving the Church also because of those ignorant judgments.

I still remember years ago when I first learned of what I like to call "Murphy-DNA", when meeting one Thomas Murphy who started the moronic DNA & the Book of Mormon ball rolling. I about broke out laughing when he started telling me his views. Mormons had known for years that natives of the America's were primarily of Asiatic decent through the other sciences, thus said arguments against the Church were already long answered and known to be flawed per what the Church actually taught, was, etc.

Obiwan wrote:"Lamanite" was/is the Book of Mormon equivalent of the Bibles "Gentile"....

People who actually know Mormonism and the Book of Mormon know this.
This is why most leaders through history called all natives of the America's "Lamanite".
They DID NOT do so because they thought everyone was "only" decended from Laman and Lemual. Maybe there was the rare idiot who did, but most actually know the Book of Mormon and know very well that there are multiple peoples spoken of in the Book of Mormon, not simply the "Lamanites" (i.e. the local version).

So, people who actually know the Book of Mormon know that "Lamanite" was not only a term used to refer to the local Lamanites, but was used to refer to ALL non-Nephite peoples, similar to the word "Gentile" in the Bible.

You guys have no clue that it's your ignorance and pre-judgments of Mormonism which makes you make many many false judgments of it. I know because I myself did it a little on a couple of subjects, leaving the Church also because of those ignorant judgments.

I still remember years ago when I first learned of what I like to call "Murphy-DNA", when meeting one Thomas Murphy who started the moronic DNA & the Book of Mormon ball rolling. I about broke out laughing when he started telling me his views. Mormons had known for years that natives of the America's were primarily of Asiatic decent through the other sciences, thus said arguments against the Church were already long answered and known to be flawed per what the Church actually taught, was, etc.

So still no official Church reference, not a massive surprise....

I will help you out - Moroni told Joseph Smith that the Native Americans were the 'literal' descendants of the Lamanites, oh wait a minute...that doesn't help you...


Come on Obiwan...quote us something official, give us a refence, anything....

Obiwan wrote:"Lamanite" was/is the Book of Mormon equivalent of the Bibles "Gentile"....

People who actually know Mormonism and the Book of Mormon know this.
This is why most leaders through history called all natives of the America's "Lamanite".
They DID NOT do so because they thought everyone was "only" decended from Laman and Lemual. Maybe there was the rare idiot who did, but most actually know the Book of Mormon and know very well that there are multiple peoples spoken of in the Book of Mormon, not simply the "Lamanites" (i.e. the local version).

So, people who actually know the Book of Mormon know that "Lamanite" was not only a term used to refer to the local Lamanites, but was used to refer to ALL non-Nephite peoples, similar to the word "Gentile" in the Bible.

You guys have no clue that it's your ignorance and pre-judgments of Mormonism which makes you make many many false judgments of it. I know because I myself did it a little on a couple of subjects, leaving the Church also because of those ignorant judgments.

I still remember years ago when I first learned of what I like to call "Murphy-DNA", when meeting one Thomas Murphy who started the moronic DNA & the Book of Mormon ball rolling. I about broke out laughing when he started telling me his views. Mormons had known for years that natives of the America's were primarily of Asiatic decent through the other sciences, thus said arguments against the Church were already long answered and known to be flawed per what the Church actually taught, was, etc.

Still no support for the LTG by descent. Got it, obi.

I think this apologetic issue is fairly clear cut. If you limit Book of Mormon geography to a four block radius and then posit that this area dropped into the Gulf of Mexico in a landslide or something of a similar nature, then a logical explanation is furnished as to why there are no archaeological remains from this 1000 year old Nephite civilization.

The DNA issue is also explained well in the even more powerful idea that the remaining Lamanites set sail for Easter Island and resumed life until..., well that adventure is on some stoneware plates hidden in a stone head somewhere on the island.