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Now here's something I've been pondering since a thread a little while back.

If Jesus set up his Church whilst he was on the earth, what Church did John the Baptist baptise him into...?

If it wasn't the Church Christ set up (how could it be, Jesus nor any of his apostles appointed John to any office or Priesthood) then Jesus must have joined another Church and therefore have become an apostate?

I'm seeking clarification and references...

John the Baptist was baptizing people into the Jewish faith. Jesus was a rabbi in the Jewish faith. He commanded John the Baptist to baptize him, not because he had any sin, but as an example that He, even as the Redeemer, was subject to the same ordinances as all others in His Church.

Christ proclaimed himself as the awaited Jewish Messiah. At the beginning of His ministry, the Church was still the Jewish religion.

liz3564 wrote:John the Baptist was baptizing people into the Jewish faith.

No, he wasn't.

Kishkumen wrote:

liz3564 wrote:John the Baptist was baptizing people into the Jewish faith.

No, he wasn't.

Because...?

jon wrote:Because...?

Because baptism wasn't an initiation ritual into Judaism for John the Baptist. It was about repentance.

Were there not large pools of water where one would wash-dunk oneself to physically show others a renewal or repentance process in that era? Or was baptism always performed by someone else with some sort of authority?

jon wrote:If Jesus set up his Church whilst he was on the earth, what Church did John the Baptist baptise him into...?

None, John the Baptist was a forerunner with an ordinance of salvation.

If it wasn't the Church Christ set up (how could it be, Jesus nor any of his apostles appointed John to any office or Priesthood) then Jesus must have joined another Church and therefore have become an apostate?

No, read Jesus's discussion with the Samaritan. Jesus was clear that salvation came through the Jews (i.e. obedience to the Law). This was the case until Jesus rose again, fulfilled the Law, and rejected the Temple.

Baptism is/was an "Ordainance".....

Also, one is "confirmed" into the LDS Church. Baptism is technically separate.
The reason people like to say one was "baptized" into the Church is because the ordinance was done by one in authority, which is through Church authority, i.e. the Priesthood Authority. Also the "confirmation" into the Church occurs during the "baptism by fire", not the baptism by water.

Fully and technically speaking, when one is baptized they are baptized by water and by fire.

If indeed Buddhist missionaries had visited this Palestine area, then the idea of a ritual cleansing whether in the Ganges River or bodies of water in this area may have been seen as the thing to do.

Obiwan wrote:Baptism is/was an "Ordainance".....

Also, one is "confirmed" into the LDS Church. Baptism is technically separate.
The reason people like to say one was "baptized" into the Church is because the ordinance was done by one in authority, which is through Church authority, i.e. the Priesthood Authority. Also the "confirmation" into the Church occurs during the "baptism by fire", not the baptism by water.

Fully and technically speaking, when one is baptized they are baptized by water and by fire.

If God alone can know a person's heart, then what purpose does baptism show? Any outward action serves only to impact the person's fellow humans, not God.