Calling and election made sure????

[_Ceeboo]

Good morning all,

PLEASE! I ask that we not make this about anyone personal (in my opinion, that always seems to divert, block, and/or greatly decrease the flow of information/discussion) Thanks!

Recently, I have read things regarding a calling and election made sure.
(Also, it has been implied that, if you do have your C&E made sure, you are not allowed to speak of it)

For those people (perhaps it's just me) who have never heard of this before, I ask the following:

What exactly does it mean?
Who gives (is "gives" the right word?) it to you?
Can you loose it?
How many LDS have this C&E made sure?
I imagine it is just a LDS thing, yes?
If you do have "it", does anyone else know that you do?

Anything else I should know?

Thanks all


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Buffalo]

I'm pretty sure it means that Joseph Smith likes you a lot and has guaranteed your salvation with a Buddy Indulgence. Or, in the case of women, with an F-Buddy Indulgence.

[_RockSlider]

Ceeboo,

There is this ordinance referred to as the Second Anointing. Everyone that goes through the temple for their own endowments receives the first anointing. You posted this in the Celestial Forum, so I cannot really elaborate much on this.

However, just like baptisms, or any other ordinance done in the church is recorded, so are/were these second anointings. These lists were publically available through the 1940's, at which time they become more secret, ummm I mean sacred.

Very few people get these anymore. Temple Presidencies, GA's and it's been rummored that some kind of by referal from someone that has already had it done is pretty much how it works anymore.

[_Ceeboo]

Ceeboo,

There is this ordinance referred to as the Second Anointing. Everyone that goes through the temple for their own endowments receives the first anointing. You posted this in the Celestial Forum, so I cannot really elaborate much on this.

However, just like baptisms, or any other ordinance done in the church is recorded, so are/were these second anointings. These lists were publically available through the 1940's, at which time they become more secret, ummm I mean sacred.

Very few people get these anymore. Temple Presidencies, GA's and it's been rummored that some kind of by referal from someone that has already had it done is pretty much how it works anymore.

Thanks Mr. Rock (Hope this finds you and yours well)


SORRY!

I did not know this was not to be posted here in this forum (If the Mod's would like to move it, please feel fee)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_RockSlider]

I did not know this was not to be posted here in this forum (If the Mod's would like to move it, please feel fee)

I've got a feeling that the concepts of Calling and Election have basically been correlated out of the modern day gospel. I'm not sure that you would ever hear about in on Sunday in Church anymore.

It is something that was taught occasionally over the pulpit 20 years back and diligently sought after by some (including myself) at the time.

It is indeed (or was?) one of the most sacred concepts to Mormons in the know about it. And hence is not a good topic to make light of.

This thread would likely have to go all the way to telestial to explain it in any detail. I would not personally say much more about it.

[_bcspace]

For those people (perhaps it's just me) who have never heard of this before, I ask the following:

What exactly does it mean?
Who gives (is "gives" the right word?) it to you?
Can you loose it?
How many LDS have this C&E made sure?
I imagine it is just a LDS thing, yes?
If you do have "it", does anyone else know that you do?

Anything else I should know?

Might be good to read the lesson first:

"Lesson 43: “A Chosen Generation”," New Testament Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, (2002)

[_RockSlider]

Might be good to read the lesson first:

Like I suggested, totally correlated out at this point (that had little to nothing to do with C&E)

[_Kevin Graham]

http://LDS.org/ensign/1976/07/accepted- ... e?lang=eng

"To have one’s calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father’s kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is ‘set down’ with his ‘Father in his throne.’ (Rev. 3:21.) (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Bookcraft, 1973, 3:330–31.)

As Elder McConkie goes on to indicate, the “unconditional guarantee” means that a person’s actions have been fully approved, that “there are no more conditions to be met by the obedient person.” (P. 335.) When one has been thus sealed up unto eternal life, he is “sealed up against all manner of sin except blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and the shedding of innocent blood.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:46.)

The Prophet Joseph Smith’s exhortation to press forward to this goal of assured exaltation is as follows:

“I would exhort you to go on and continue to call upon God until you make your calling and election sure for yourselves, by obtaining this more sure word of prophecy, and wait patiently for the promise until you obtain it.” (Teachings, p. 299.)

“Wait patiently for the promise until you obtain it” implies that every effort will be made by the member of the Church to obtain it. An eternal compact was made in the premortal world that the sons and daughters of God would receive an eternal exaltation provided they were true and faithful to covenants made in this life. (See, e.g., Titus 1:1–2.) Keeping in mind Peter’s injunction to his dispensation, Joseph Smith said:

“We have no claim in our eternal compact, in relation to eternal things, unless our actions and contracts and all things tend to this. But after all this, you have got to make your calling and election sure. If this injunction would lie largely on those to whom it was spoken, how much more those of the present generation!” (Teachings, p. 306.)

It is easy to see why the Church doesn't really get into this any more, as it is nothing less than a variant of the Evangelical "already saved" doctrine Mormons love to ridicule. Will was obviously referring to this in a serious manner, stating that the only thing that could ruin it for him was if he were to "shed innocent blood". This easily explains why he doesn't give a crap about being disgusting or a liar. For Will, he's already heaven bound, so why not? The Church supports this doctrine and it is "official," but in essence, it is nothing short of a license to sin.

Lovely.

And so much for "enduring till the end." What is there to "endure" when you're told you're already saved, so long as you refrain from shedding innocent blood? You've done enough good works already to make your calling and election sure.

[_MsJack]

Ceeboo, I have posted my answers in the Telestial forum.

[_bcspace]

Might be good to read the lesson first:

Like I suggested, totally correlated out at this point (that had little to nothing to do with C&E)

You don't seem to know what you are talking about.