The Atonement...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:14 am
The Atonement is a significant and central event within the Church:
In teaching about Jesus Christ and His Atonement, President Boyd K. Packer stated:
“I seldom use the word absolutely. It seldom fits. I use it now—twice:
“Because of the fall, the Atonement was absolutely essential for resurrection to proceed and overcome mortal death. The Atonement was absolutely essential for men to cleanse themselves from sin and overcome the second death, spiritual death, which is separation from our Father in Heaven; for the scriptures tell us … that no unclean thing may enter the presence of God.”
But I confess that I'm not clear on it and listening to talks of others, I'm not sure they are either.
Did the Atonement take place in the Garden of Gethsemane? In the Church this is the main focus when talking about the Atonement. People use the passage in Luke extensively but, in my opinion, incorrectly.
Luke is a plagiarised version of Mark and so is susceptible to embellishments. For example:
From Mark 14:
32And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
33And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
34And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
35And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
36And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
From Luke 22:
41And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
(Note: When speakers use the Luke passage they say he bled from every pore. But careful reading shows that he didn’t bleed, he sweated profusely as if he were bleeding)
Being brought up in the Church I was always told that ‘we’ didn’t focus on the crucifixion because the Garden of Gethsemane was more important. That was why we don’t have crosses on our buildings and why we don’t wear crosses.
And so I come to my question in a roundabout way – where did the Atonement take place?
In teaching about Jesus Christ and His Atonement, President Boyd K. Packer stated:
“I seldom use the word absolutely. It seldom fits. I use it now—twice:
“Because of the fall, the Atonement was absolutely essential for resurrection to proceed and overcome mortal death. The Atonement was absolutely essential for men to cleanse themselves from sin and overcome the second death, spiritual death, which is separation from our Father in Heaven; for the scriptures tell us … that no unclean thing may enter the presence of God.”
But I confess that I'm not clear on it and listening to talks of others, I'm not sure they are either.
Did the Atonement take place in the Garden of Gethsemane? In the Church this is the main focus when talking about the Atonement. People use the passage in Luke extensively but, in my opinion, incorrectly.
Luke is a plagiarised version of Mark and so is susceptible to embellishments. For example:
From Mark 14:
32And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
33And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
34And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
35And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
36And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
From Luke 22:
41And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
(Note: When speakers use the Luke passage they say he bled from every pore. But careful reading shows that he didn’t bleed, he sweated profusely as if he were bleeding)
Being brought up in the Church I was always told that ‘we’ didn’t focus on the crucifixion because the Garden of Gethsemane was more important. That was why we don’t have crosses on our buildings and why we don’t wear crosses.
And so I come to my question in a roundabout way – where did the Atonement take place?