How is a Mormon Saved.

[_dogmatic]

Don't know too much about Mormons, but I've been listening to this "out of Mormonism" podcast. I had a few questions.
- how is a Mormon saved?
- What does it mean to be saved, what are you saved from?
- can you be outside the Mormon church and be saved?
- can you deny Joseph Smith as a prophet and be saved?
thanks

[_stemelbow]

Don't know too much about Mormons, but I've been listening to this "out of Mormonism" podcast. I had a few questions.
- how is a Mormon saved?

Saved from what? most LDS would suggest LDS are able to be saved due to the atonement of Christ.

- What does it mean to be saved, what are you saved from?

salvation is two parts--saved from the effects of physical death and spiritual death.

- can you be outside the Mormon church and be saved?

Not only can you, but you will.

- can you deny Joseph Smith as a prophet and be saved?
thanks

To some extent. I don't want to confuse you but saved to LDS can mean many things. Everyone is saved from the effects of physical death through resurrection. Most everyone receives a degree of glory after life--meaning God grants eternal rewards and blessings to nearly all. Few, relatively speaking, will be sent to outer darkness, or the residence of the devil.

[_dogmatic]

Not only can you, but you will.

But it's in different heavens correct? Some that don't have God present?

[_stemelbow]

But it's in different heavens correct? Some that don't have God present?

Without going too far into specifics, it goes something like this:

The Celestial Kingdom will house those whom God has deemed as faithful. How He deems that is kinda murky to us, because ultimately what do we know? those in the Celestiall are said to be living with God.

The Terrestrial Kingdom, it seems, will house most regular people. It'll be great and fantastic and there will be access to or interaction with Christ. It will be salvation, just not supremely so.

The Telestial Kingdom will, i suspect, be much smaller and house many people who just don't catch onto the need to be honest, decent folk that most people seem to be. I don't know really how to judge or define them too much, so this is just kind of my thinking.

Then there are those who will be consigned to an eternal state known as outer darkness. These will have no glory added upon them--no salvation, essentially. It'll be those beyond just murderers and sinners, but perhaps more like child molesters and those who essentially reject good generally. I don't have much of a grasp who can be included in this. Some may say Hitler or Pol Pot or something. I don't know.

[_dogmatic]

thanks

[_dogmatic]

I feel like your being a little deceptive because your precepts set by Joseph smith say We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

Why would you leave out something so important as to my salvation that we must obey obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. What are these laws and ordinances I must follow?

[_dogmatic]

I feel like your being a little deceptive because your precepts set by Joseph smith say We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

Why would you leave out something so important as to my salvation that we must obey obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. What are these laws and ordinances I must follow?

Notice it says "through" for Christ and "by" for the law

[_CSA]

The Celestial Kingdom will house those whom God has deemed as faithful. How He deems that is kinda murky to us, because ultimately what do we know? those in the Celestiall are said to be living with God.

Stemelbow is quite correct, but allow me to give some extra detail: All will be saved in the sense that they will live an eternal life because of the sacrafice of Jesus. Those most worthy will attain the Celestial Kingdom and will be on their way to becoming God's themselves. Nobody really knows how long or what additional tests or trials to become a God. While the sacrafice of Jesus allows for all to live after death, it will be the sacrafice of good LDS members in the church that guarantees them a kingdom (Their temple work must be done). LDS members become saviors on Mount Zion by performing this work on behalf of others who are dead

The Terrestrial Kingdom, it seems, will house most regular people. It'll be great and fantastic and there will be access to or interaction with Christ. It will be salvation, just not supremely so.

Those who were members of the restored church who attain this level will enjoy this kingdom to a point but will feel endless torment at not achieving the higher kingdom. It will be a personal Hell for them, but heaven to others. These will be good people who deserve happiness and paradise but who do not deserve to rule over a world of their own.

The Telestial Kingdom will, i suspect, be much smaller and house many people who just don't catch onto the need to be honest, decent folk that most people seem to be. I don't know really how to judge or define them too much, so this is just kind of my thinking.

I personally think this will be the largest group of people who like Stemelbow said had problems being honest and following basic commandments. This will also be the place where evil wicked people will be and those who were decent but dishonest it will be a personal hell for them, considering that they will be sharing this kingdom with some real evil people.

Then there are those who will be consigned to an eternal state known as outer darkness. These will have no glory added upon them--no salvation, essentially. It'll be those beyond just murderers and sinners, but perhaps more like child molesters and those who essentially reject good generally. I don't have much of a grasp who can be included in this. Some may say Hitler or Pol Pot or something. I don't know.

These will be those who deny the Holy Ghost. A small group of people who were members of the Christ's church and the Restored church. They will have denied the Holy Ghost and
do not deserve to be saved at all.

[_ldsfaqs]

I feel like your being a little deceptive because your precepts set by Joseph smith say We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

1. Instead of following your bearing false witness anti-mormon "gods", you better stop calling people liars about their own faith, a religion that considers TRUTH as being it's foremost ideology!

2. Christ said the same thing, that only those who DO the Will of the Father are actually his. Your "belief" and Grace freely given to all will not "save" you. You cannot escape doing your part, and without that, grace will be insufficient for you. It's not either or, it's both. Works alone will not save, and grace alone will not save. That's what the Bible actually teaches, contrary to your man-made religion.

Why would you leave out something so important as to my salvation that we must obey obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. What are these laws and ordinances I must follow?

Why do you leave out such an important concept as recorded in the Bible itself concerning salvation?

The Bible is FULL of commandments and ordinances. We shouldn't have to explain the basics to you. If you want to learn who we really are, go read our teachings, not by listening to those who Christ condemned in Mark/Luke 9.

by the way.... Sorry for the tone, but I don't appreciate the condescending and disrespectful. Our beliefs are our beliefs, there is no reason why we would "lie" about them. Now, when it comes to anti-mormons, they DO lie about everything about Mormonism. So, if you don't like lying so much, pay attention to the evil fruits of your own kind who take some truth, and use it to tell great lies by OMITTING important truths and facts.

[_stemelbow]

I feel like your being a little deceptive because your precepts set by Joseph smith say We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

Rest assured, if youw would, I did not attempt to be exhaustive in my response. By reading the scriptures yourself in hopes to answer your questions I don't know if the answer will be totally exhaustive, but its a start. If you're truly interested read the scriptures.

Why would you leave out something so important as to my salvation that we must obey obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. What are these laws and ordinances I must follow?

I left out many important things. The scriptures are full of many important things in my view. They are littered with commandments. the word commandment has a significant literal meaning to me and most LDS.

Edited to add: I appreciate CSA's and ldsfaq's posts.