better not to Marry

Post by **_dogmatic** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:55 am

What do Mormons do with Paul saying it's best not to marry and also that there will be no giving in marriage in hevean. Does Joseph rewrite this?

Post by **_just me** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:58 am

I can check. Give me a reference so I don't have to look it up myself.

Post by **_dogmatic** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:13 am

Mark 12:25 and 1 Corinthians 7 it's a whole discussion on marriage but dies say twice that it's better not to have sexual relations or marriage.

Post by **_just me** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:23 am

He did make changes to both. He added a bit to Corinthians. He doesn't seem to change the overall message, though.

Basically, it is ignored. LDS believe that marriage and having children is the highest and holiest calling a person can have.

EDIT: Actually, the young full time missionaries are not married and are forbidden to date or have any sexual relations until their mission is over.

Post by **_dogmatic** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:18 am

I have to admit I'm a little ignorant in this area. As to when all the thousands upon thousands of manuscripts were found of the Bible. Mabye Joe wasn't aware of this evidence. But if he was, I could understand why a false profit could take it on himself to correct the gospels since there are so many historical questions. But Paul, who can re-write Paul. No one that I am aware of refutes the historicity of Paul. Our evidence is overwhelming for Paul where even the atheist say he said why he said. So why re write something that we are almost positively sure (as sure as you can be in aniquity) is what was written.

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:40 pm

dogmatic wrote:What do Mormons do with Paul saying it's best not to marry and also that there will be no giving in marriage in hevean. Does Joseph rewrite this?

Why was Paul so misogynistic? Why did he hate women and marriage? He was likely married at some point. Did he have a bad marriage?

Why did Paul think Jesus was coming so soon and tell people that it was better to not marry? Did you know that this was one of the main reasons he said what he said? Why did he get it wrong about Jesus coming?

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:47 pm

dogmatic wrote:. But Paul, who can re-write Paul. No one that I am aware of refutes the historicity of Paul. Our evidence is overwhelming for Paul where even the atheist say he said why he said. So why re write something that we are almost positively sure (as sure as you can be in aniquity) is what was written.

You need to do some leg work. A number of the New Testament letters attributed to Paul were likely not written by him. Also even though Paul was a real person and wrote does not mean his text was not tampered with or corrupted.

Post by **_just me** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:56 pm

dogmatic wrote:I have to admit I'm a little ignorant in this area. As to when all the thousands upon thousands of manuscripts were found of the Bible. Mabye Joe wasn't aware of this evidence. But if he was, I could understand why a false profit could take it on himself to correct the gospels since there are so many historical questions. But Paul, who can re-write Paul. No one that I am aware of refutes the historicity of Paul. Our evidence is overwhelming for Paul where even the atheist say he said why he said. So why re write something that we are almost positively sure (as sure as you can be in aniquity) is what was written.

Um. Where to start. Personally, I think you can call Joseph Smith "Joe" if you want, but to get a good dialogue going on this forum it would be better to call him Joseph or Joseph Smith. Members find it highly offensive.

Now, I am pretty sure that there are at leasta few Pauline letters that are considered forgeries by academics. So, no, atheists don't necessarily agree that the historical Paul said/wrote everything contained within the New Testament Pauline letters.

Either way, Joseph Smith was dealing with the KJV of the Bible. I think we can all agree that this is a translation of a different language and it uses lots of strange grammar and words sometimes.
MOST of the changes made by Joseph Smith were an attempt at making it easier to read. He changed sentence structure and some of the archaic grammar.
He did make additions and changes where he felt it made more sense or where it added to some idea that he had about something. He added a lot to Matthew and he added a lot to Genesis, called the book of Moses.

And, no, I doubt that Joseph Smith was aware of any Bible evidence. His Bible education seems to be heavily influenced by what the people around him believed. He believed that the first 5 books of Moses were written by Moses because that was traditional thought at the time.

Post by **_dogmatic** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:44 pm

Apologize for calling him Joe. Dent mean anything by it we have joesphs in our family I call them all Joe :). Let me look into this I got my assumptions from several top New Testament debates where both sides agreed on the Pauline letters and both made thier arguments from them. I'll look further into this.

Post by **_Themis** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:53 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
Why did Paul think Jesus was coming so soon and tell people that it was better to not marry? Did you know that this was one of the main reasons he said what he said? Why did he get it wrong about Jesus coming?

He was speaking as a man.

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