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jon wrote:...Joseph talking about God and Jesus being separate and distinct beings?

Simon Belmont wrote:

jon wrote:...Joseph talking about God and Jesus being separate and distinct beings?

I have an idea...

Why don't you use Google instead of asking others to do research for you?

Here, let me help you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=First+Vision+Accounts

jon wrote:
Can someone point me in the direction of something prior to 1838 that clears up this dilemma for me?

jon wrote:That's odd is it not?

Simon Belmont wrote:

jon wrote:That's odd is it not?

It is not odd at all.

Themis wrote:

jon wrote:
Can someone point me in the direction of something prior to 1838 that clears up this dilemma for me?

I don't think they can because it dose not exist. This is a huge problem for Joseph's claims, and one in which apologists have to go with some weak argument Joseph was just emphasizing certain parts yet did not get to the part of seeing two personages until much later. It doesn't even explain why Joseph never mentioned them as two individuals before in any of his teachings.

jon wrote:In fact I can find nothing, not an account, not a recorded incident, not a journal entry, not a single written thing that refers to God and Christ as separate beings prior to 1838.

This cannot be correct.

Can someone point me in the direction of something prior to 1838 that clears up this dilemma for me?

...being thus perplexed in mind I retired to the silent grove and bow[e]d down before the Lord, under a realising sense that he had said (if the Bible be true) ask and you shall receive knock and it shall be opened seek and you shall find and again, if any man lack wisdom let him ask of God who giveth to all men libarally and upbradeth not; information was what I most desired at this time, and with a fixed determination to obtain it, I called upon the Lord for the first time, in the place above stated or in other words I made a fruitless attempt to p[r]ay, my toung seemed to be swolen in my mouth, so that I could not utter, I heard a noise behind me like some person walking towards me, I strove again to pray, but could not, the noise of walking seemed to draw nearer, I sprung up on my feet, and and looked around, but saw no person or thing that was calculated to produce the noise of walking, I kneeled again my mouth was opened and my toung liberated, and I called on the Lord in mighty prayer, a pillar of fire appeared above my head, it presently rested down upon me head, and filled me with Joy unspeakable, a personage appeard in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage soon appeard like unto the first, he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee, he testified unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; and I saw many angels in this vision I was about 14 years old when I received this first communication;

jon wrote:. Translates the Book of Mormon which refers to God and Christ as one and the same, without saying 'hang on a minute, that can't be right'.