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I think it all could have been handled better, too. But Leonard Arrington remained a faithful and committed Latter-day Saint, as did his close associate in the Church Historian's Office and my very dear friend Davis Bitton, as does his close associate in the Church Historian's Office and my very dear friend James Allen. They did not become corrosive cynics or unbelievers.

Dan,
Just so we're clear, what exactly is a corrosive cynic?
It that your default term for people who are skeptical toward fantastical claims that can neither be proved nor disproved?

Maybe it's someone who is highly sarcastic all the time and refuses to answer difficult questions.

Good answer.

...your thoughts, Dan?

Corpsegrinder wrote:It that your default term for people who are skeptical toward fantastical claims that can neither be proved nor disproved?

Oh... you mean like the claim that you or I exist?

Simon Belmont wrote:

Corpsegrinder wrote:It that your default term for people who are skeptical toward fantastical claims that can neither be proved nor disproved?

Oh... you mean like the claim that you or I exist?

No, Simon. That metaphysical conundrum is uniquely yours.

Morley wrote:No, Simon. That metaphysical conundrum is uniquely yours.

Not really, Morley. If you asked 1,000 people to "prove, beyond any doubt, that we exist," how many of them would be able to do so?

Percentages are acceptable.

Simon Belmont wrote:

Morley wrote:No, Simon. That metaphysical conundrum is uniquely yours.

Not really, Morley. If you asked 1,000 people to "prove, beyond any doubt, that we exist," how many of them would be able to do so?

Percentages are acceptable.

If you asked one thousand people to "prove, beyond any doubt, that we exist," none of them would be interested in trying to do so. (People know they exist, so why would they wish to prove it to a stranger?) The largest part of the thousand would think that you were either crazy or an idiot. Or they'd be looking for the hidden camera.

Simon, the apple in your hand is an apple in your hand.

Morley wrote:If you asked one thousand people to "prove, beyond any doubt, that we exist," none of them would be interested in trying to do so.

That's beside the point. I'm assuming that all participants are willing.

(People know they exist,

Do they?

The largest part of the thousand would think that you were either crazy or an idiot. Or they'd be looking for the hidden camera.

Yeah, they said that about the Automobile and breaking the Sound Barrier, too.

Simon, the apple in your hand is an apple in your hand.

Unless, of course, I am being deceived by an evil daemon.

Simon Belmont wrote:

Morley wrote:No, Simon. That metaphysical conundrum is uniquely yours.

Not really, Morley. If you asked 1,000 people to "prove, beyond any doubt, that we exist," how many of them would be able to do so?

Percentages are acceptable.

If you accidentally pee on yourself, you will know you exist.

Simon Belmont wrote:

Morley wrote:Simon, the apple in your hand is an apple in your hand.

Unless, of course, I am being deceived by an evil daemon.

I see that this conversation is useless. Take care, Simon.