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The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:59 am
by _jon
...in Great Britain.

Here are some of the highlights for the financial year ending December 2009.

Income from donations
2008 31.3m
2009 30.7m

From memory there were circa 185,000 'members' as of 2009, so donation income is the equivalent of less than £14 per month per member.

Specifically tithing income for 2009 was £27.5m, or £12.39 per member per month.

At a time when membership increased year on year, donations went down.

Expenditure
2008 £33m
2009 £41.7m

That £41.7m expenditure is split as follows:
Provision of worship facilities £25.1m
Religious education £6.5m
Missionary work £1.7m
Geneology work £6.2m
Community Projects £2.2m

Of that £41.7m, £20.6m was spent in the areas above on 'support costs'.
Support costs are listed as:
Staff costs £10.2m (19 employee's earn greater than £60,000 p.a.)
Travel £1.3m
Admin £1.8m
Materials £0.4m
Depreciation £6.5m
Cost of Sales £0.4m

Note: £6.5m of expenditure was the transfer of Irish Church properties to the equivalent company in Ireland - so a sort of internal transfer of assets.

Conversely the Church received £1.6m in fast offering and £1.7m of fast offering was spent on helping the poor & the needy.

The Church received donations valuing £0.34m for its Humanitarian aid fund, and spent £0.011m on Humanitarian aid.

The Church received £0.416m in donations specifically for Youth Conferences, and spent £0.481m on Youth Conferences

Some points to note:
1. You will notice that the Church in Great Britain spent £11 million more in 2009 than it received in income. In other words an £11 million loss (including the £6.5m transfer of Irish assets)
2. No tithing was spent on helping the poor and the needy nor humanitarian aid.
3. 19 Church employee's each received significantly more than 5 times the amount spent on humanitarian aid.
4. This financial information will have been available to the people who made the decision that members needed the blessings of cleaning the Chapel rather than employing the janitors etc.


*All of this financial information for 2009 is published and publically available*

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:36 pm
by _Buffalo
340,000 pounds for humanitarian aid, and they couldn't find enough needy people to spend more than 11,000?

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:20 pm
by _jon
Buffalo wrote:340,000 pounds for humanitarian aid, and they couldn't find enough needy people to spend more than 11,000?


It must have been a quiet year for famine, natural disasters, fighting desease, poverty and other humanitarian hardships...

By way of comparison the Church in 2009 spent £346,000 on travel costs just for the Geneology section!

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:46 am
by _The Nehor
jon wrote:It must have been a quiet year for famine, natural disasters, fighting desease, poverty and other humanitarian hardships...


Yeah, Great Britain was rolling in famines, natural disasters, epidemics, poverty, leprechaun uprisings, and zombie invasions in the last few years.

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:55 am
by _just me
What is worse is that one year they asked people to donate for the Tsunami and you see the same situation. A bunch of money in to the Humanitarian Aid coffers and very little trickling out...hard to say if a dime went to Tsunami relief.

People will have to go to MormonThink.com for the details on that.

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:59 am
by _harmony
just me wrote:What is worse is that one year they asked people to donate for the Tsunami and you see the same situation. A bunch of money in to the Humanitarian Aid coffers and very little trickling out...hard to say if a dime went to Tsunami relief.

People will have to go to MormonThink.com for the details on that.


Who are those church employees?

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:28 am
by _jon
harmony wrote:
just me wrote:What is worse is that one year they asked people to donate for the Tsunami and you see the same situation. A bunch of money in to the Humanitarian Aid coffers and very little trickling out...hard to say if a dime went to Tsunami relief.

People will have to go to MormonThink.com for the details on that.


Who are those church employees?


Of the top earners (those above £60,000 p.a.) six of them will be the Mission Presidents.

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:39 am
by _jon
The Nehor wrote:
jon wrote:It must have been a quiet year for famine, natural disasters, fighting desease, poverty and other humanitarian hardships...


Yeah, Great Britain was rolling in famines, natural disasters, epidemics, poverty, leprechaun uprisings, and zombie invasions in the last few years.


Nehor, how many people do you think were homeless in the UK in 2009? Zero? Ten? A Hundred? A thousand? More?

Do you think that it would have been possible to find poverty, homelessness, women and children in distressed situations, cancer sufferers etc in the UK in 2009? Do you think it would have been possible to find causes worthy spending slightly more tha £11,000 on?

Do you think charities such as...
The Red Cross
Marie Curie (cancer support)
NSPCC
The Samaritans
...could have found use for more than £11,000 on behalf of these good humanitarian causes?

Your comment and sarcasm is misplaced on this subject.
£11,000 wouldn't cover the travel costs of the six Mission Presidents in Great Britain and yet God's one true Church couldn't 'find' it in its collective heart to spend more than that on good causes in 2009.

What a hypocritical disgrace.

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:39 pm
by _harmony
jon wrote:Of the top earners (those above £60,000 p.a.) six of them will be the Mission Presidents.


Why do MPs need to be paid, especially that amount? Everything is provided for them... housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc. and for their families too.

Re: The Church publishes it's financial information...

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:04 pm
by _jon
harmony wrote:
jon wrote:Of the top earners (those above £60,000 p.a.) six of them will be the Mission Presidents.


Why do MPs need to be paid, especially that amount? Everything is provided for them... housing, food, clothing, transportation, etc. and for their families too.


I don't know Harmony.

Temple Presidents are paid too.