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In 1998, in ROME, I was informed Book of Mormon was ROMAN.

I was not in Italy to search the roots of Nephites and Book of Mormon. I was there to work and also to make some genealogic research of my ancestors.

But since the very beginning, since trying to board the Alitalia plane, I became very sure it was to be a very unusual trip. That I was to have and I had companionship while flying to Italia. And thus having a clear idea about what I should do in Italy, not related to short term finding "recent" ancestors. But related to very "huge" back time ancestors, if some procedures were followed. What they were it is long described in web and also was immediately written to some LDS friends in Brazil and in USA, explaining the good news.

The Nefites, those branch that arrived in Egypt (in Nephic, their town) and in Jerusalem, were from nearby Rome, and from my broad lineage, as if a small branch from a big tree. And that it was possible to understand that their language, the Nephitic, was just a dialect of my broad language, an Italic language. And that I could understand the meaning of words that were not really translated in Book of Mormon. They were *just Phonetic translations". I could move them (the sounds) to my ancestral language and then understand the meaning and real writing (with characters turning into the same as in CARACTORS).

I received an immediate very great punishment from the Church: for many reasons, and maybe from this BAD NEWS about Book of Mormon having its origin in proto-Italian languages, into Sabellich's language.

In any way my joy was very great, because it was not a spiritual revelation, but like a scientific insight was made available, as if when a curtain is removed and you can see clearly the brighty outside.

SAVELLI = SABELLI people (all Rome's popes, up to Century VI were Sabelli=Savelli...). Before Catholicism (a syncretism) the Sabelli had domain over pagan religions in Rome. They "converted" when saw the Christians were obtaining "power" and mixed Christianism with Paganism.

ELYSAB wrote:And that I could understand the meaning of words that were not really translated in Book of Mormon. They were *just Phonetic translations". I could move them (the sounds) to my ancestral language and then understand the meaning

Can you translate 'curelom' and 'cumom' as examples, please?

Can you translate 'curelom' and 'cumomr' as examples, please?

I don't have an exact match for those words and I don't know what is a CURELOM or a CUMOM (I think I never saw or heard one...). In any way by the way such words are written and as the way they are similar to others, we may have some "guess" (we can speculate something):

CURELOM ---> CUREL + OM, with OM meaning ON, "big" (gender male). It could be, at the root, CUREL, quite like CUR+EL, and read from right to left, it would be "god" CUR.
CUREL: French name and region. Maybe a big animal lived there.

CUR is a "DOG". Maybe in past it was another type of "dog". See it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cur
It is usual to assemble and disassemble Nephitic-Sabellich name in this fashion: CUR-EL-ON = CURELOM and then research about it. For sure Anglo-Saxons are not used to make such type of examination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_sled BIG DOGS to pull great cargo over frozen snowed soil and over ice, as over Canada and Alaska.

CUMOM is a quite easier case. It is very close parent to CUMORAH hill.

CUMOM is quite CUMO + OM = CUMO + ON (in old sabellich it was not the same the rules about grammar for the use of M x N as nowadays)

In old days of Sabellich, in transition of Hebrew (without vowels) to Etruscan/Ancient Italic (with vowels), the vowels were uncertain. Thus it was usual they were replaced among themselves. As A by E or U or I or O, etc. And changing through time and people and location.

CUMO was the same as CIMO = top (as of big clouds looking like mountains = CUMUlus nimbus clouds, or the very top of roof = CUMIeira) = enCIMAR (go to the top of a hill or mountain, etc). In such examination CUMOn (on = big) is to reach a GREAT "TOP", quite like of a hill or mountain or even figurative (quite like reach the CUMOn of pleasure = orgasm, "CUM" = "cumo", "cumon = a very big one", etc.
Thus CUMOM were to be tall animals, with heads going to high elevation. Maybe they were like giraffes?

CUMORAH HILL = CUMO + R + AH as it is like the word ENCIMAR, above in with the "R" is the "order" to go to "CIMA=TOP". Here CUMO is going ON TOP (physical or can be of pleasure) is the "R" order which is the ownership (of the hill). Go there and get the "top" that is in the Hill. More or less that way of reading.

For exemple, a lot of words are not translated and they are very easy to translate. As hill RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM... SHAZER (the correct is CHASER...), a lot of words lost their original meaning as HAGOTH and original name is RAGGOTTI and from it is possible to understand the meaning of such "surname": RAGG-ITTE. Nephi is only a "surname"... Lehi in fact is LERRI (could be Larri or Lari, or Leri, etc.). Nephi in fact is NeFi. Moroni could be MoRRoni or Maroni or MaRRoni (usual names...).

This could be the 2012 game changer at the FAIR Conference.

Darth J is way ahead of you

This information had already been posted. Some explanations had been added.
http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20022 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:51 am

The other NEPH branch departed from Rome's region, something I concluded in late 1997 or maybe early 1998, when I went to work in Italy, ordered by my bi-national sanitation company. That was a sudden order.

When going to board the ALITALIA plane, my connecting flight arrived late in SAO PAULO airport (Guarulhos). I was the last passenger to come to the desk to board. There was just one seat vacant, at the very rear, in her computer screen. Then the attendant "remembered" there was plenty of seats at the very first row of economy class, from window to window, but seats were BLOCKED by an unknown PASSWORD.
As it had ended the boarding time, attendant reasoned such seats had been unlocked, free by now (any reservation had cancelled). He opened the computer screen for such part of the airplaine. Seats continued blocked... When I first asked for a seat, I asked for a seat at the window.
One blocked seat, at the window, "blinked and turned free" and next the boarding ticket was printed. All automatically. Seat got unlocked by itself, without requiring password but the others remained blocked and requiring password. The attendant told my invisible group was just waiting for me and were holding the reservation for us have some privacy. In fact, never during the flight any person sat or even tried to seat on any of that "blocked" seats: maybe others passengers “saw” that vacant seats as occupied seats... (?). Conclusion: there were two "time referential system" in operation, in cohexistence.
Even if the plane was very overcrowded and before our seats there was a corridor: plenty space to stretch the legs. Nobody sat on our row from window to window, first row.

During the flight I became aware that the trip to Italy was not a common trip, but had something linked to my very ANCIENT ANCESTORS of remote ages…, that I never could dream about.
But first of all I had to fulfill the job for what I had been sent to work in Italy. It was to pay attention to the surnames, as on the tombs, on museums, on catacombs,…

And that my family ancestors were in quite like two trees. One being the dark side, and symbolism could be the Vatican palace I was to visit and pay attention. Also quite like a chain/network of Isabel’s palaces through many waters and places of the World. And good ancestors, trees being symbolized by those righteous who died in wittness of righteousness, even in Coliseum, to where they were to be gathered to hear I preach a speech to them.

And then, flying very high, departed. I didn't worry about or become mystical or sorrow: handling KOLOB. I had a normal dinner and a dream night. I raised the arm supports and slept, as if over a bed, while flying to Rome, for a hard next work day.

Thus I paid great attention, quite like trying to discover the “links” among the “words”. My wife, in Brazil, by phone, warned me to go without any type of money, when visiting any type of Isabel's relative castles, mainly the corrupt luxurious one.

In hotel my eyes got open and suddenly I started to see and understand “words”. Like a “curtain” fell before my eyes and I saw the Book of Mormon was written in my own VERY ANCIENT "SABELLICUS LANGUAGE", of some 600 BC. And that the Nephites had departed from ITALY, from nearby ROME region. It is amazing when you are surrounded with so many "whispers", each one as if from the Coliseum, now them trying to provide you their history.

So I could understand that the WORDS in Book of Mormon are exactly the SAME as those of WORDS of SABELLICUS in some 600 BC in ITALIA, in ITA=DESCENDENTS OF (israel-ITA, ita=descendents of Israel) and that a parallel could be made between what was in Book of Mormon and in OLD ITALLIAN LANGUAGE. And it was very easy TO SEE corruption in the translation toward ENGLISH (from original Book of Mormon in SABELLICUS = NEPHITIC dialect) and from SABELLICUS (of 600 BC) toward our modern Latin-alike languages.

Thus Joseph translation was not something perfect for Ancient Latin languages... Some words in fact were not "translated", but just "adjusted cultural-phonetically", and that is very easy to know if you know the original version.... And some words are clearly wrong, as they had none meaning in English, as SHAZER, when it was to mean CHASER for Hebrew or Sabellicus/Latin. But that is not problem, as it is "phonetic" the same.

Immediately (at 14 years ago…) I wrote and sent a detailed report to some friends and SUD (LDS) important authorities of Brazil. And WORST, BAD IDEA, I did the same for friends and authorities of USA: a CULTURAL PROBLEM.

I was so silly that I even sent, in a Saturday, an express Mail (EMS) to the Church President himself. What so silly!... I doubt that ever such letter reached Gordon B. Hinckley… But, next Wednesday night I was called to be punished, without any specific accusation, and without any trial or possibility of defense, to be cut as being first counselor of bishop (who resigned and abandoned the LDS religion, in protest) and I became without Temple recommendation for very long many years... and prohibited to teach or making speeches or writing sites, having to destroy them... "I became like a dead – alive” member, in “limbo”.



Probably the subject of ITALIC LANGUAGE being like a (Greg) "SHORT HAND" to NEPHITIC LANGUAGE/CHARACTERS remains quite as "dangerous" pathway to follow… But in any way it is the CORRECT PATHWAY. Congratulations of a new site and author proposing a SABELLICUS language which INCLUDES such a wide possible branch of sub-language and sub-tribes and characters into what you proposed.



I posted extensive literatures in SUD (Brazil) and LDS literature (even in FAIR) and even in Israelite sites (since 1999) about such nothing conventional things, as translation of CARACTORS into CHARACTERS and their gathering into WORDS. In fact I learned much from the Jews of USA, because when I could do not among the LDS, some Jews suggested me share their friendship, as if an "exiled"... Thus I was accepted as LDS to live and be protected among the Jews, friendly, as brother. Quite like Moses among Arabs into Jethro’s family.

I learn some good things. As how they translated so many NEPHITIC materials they gathered across USA, quite like "other nephitic texts/plates": very good information you should know it exist, and that LDS try to hide the existence... and the TREASURES it was excavated from Indians Mounds, a work done including by Joseph Smith, was bought by the Jews, mainly in their hands…. They translated according scientific principles. Not exactly as I had done, but the final result is quite like the same… I was considered RABINE because of SCINCE, not because of RELIGION, as I continue LDS… Large number of posted articles in Jew sites, including orthodox).

I suggest you examine the contents of the following TOPICS:

Translation of CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK + similar materials

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=20022

Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... a&start=63

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http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... a&start=84

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http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... &start=126

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CHARACTERS BOOK Mormon FOUND WITH USA INDIANS IN PETROGLYPHS

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.p ... 71c516593d

The posted material is SO OLD that all external links are not more working... GEOCITIES provider was extinct by Yahoo... You can see that the use of ITALIC CHARACTERS was extensively discussed in FAIR


Mormon DIALOGUE & DISCUSSION BOARD
1921 Book of Mormon Geography Hearings * * * * *

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/549 ... ge__st__60

Message #63 (how to write and read in NEPHITIC = ITALIC language = SABELLIC)
Message #65

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/cc1 ... 309b4g.jpg CLICK ON URL and "SEE"

Message #68
Message # 71
Message #75
Message #79 (meaning of CUMORAH and SABAL, Mormon, MORONI)

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/f9a ... g.jpgCLICK ON URL and "SEE"

Message #42 - kingdom around MANTI and RIPLAH and RIPLIANCUM
Message #80
Message #83 NEPHI town in EGYPT and NEPHI region in IRELAND
Message #84 Jews scientists translated Nephitic characters, they found in USA, in some places, for long.
Message #89 DID ROMAN EMPIRE "CHARACTERS"=MODERN LATIN was used in writing Book of Mormon? NO! They used ARCHAIC SABELLICUS, which has nothing to do with modern Latin characters.

MESSAGE #91 = HERE IS THE EXPLANATION WHY NOT MODERN LATIN

MESSAGE # 92 shows the CHARACTERS and LANGUAGE being used in ITALY when Nephites DEPARTED from there, starting the trip to USA.
You can see nice pictures of Objects found from Indian MOUNDs with texts written on them with CHARACTERS like those on Anthon Caractors, usually gathered by Jews scientists (not FAIR/BYU). Also the great smooth vertical wall also with carved characters of NEPHITIC generating a Religious Bible text in New Mexico.

Message # 93 etc. etc., up to the Message 120 (the Forum was CLOSED, EXTERMINATED to new posting: it is what appears; some ideas are not welcome, as I discovered in 1998 about the Nephites being a branch from a Greek-Italian "TREE"; they tried to SILENCE me as they tried also silence SCIENCE, as evident with GALILEO GALILEI. In vain). You yourself will concluded the obvious. Your proposition is toward the correct solution. Best personal regards, sincerely yours. ELYSAB

There are things that it is better to not talk about

I guess I was labeled as "mad" when I disclosed (in a detailed report) clearly about what I had discovered, in Rome. That the Nephitic Language (as in Book of Mormon) - (and in caractors) was "exactly" the same Ancient Italic language (Sabellicus), as spoken in Rome Region in circa 600 BC, using the same words and written exactly in the same way (or with little deviation, as due to language corruption) and with same meaning, nobody believed. Mainly some LDS friends from USA, that received the news and reasoned I was a "mad person", requiring some psyquiatric treatment... What I was disclosing was impossible and I was reporting just "madness". That the events were not plausible. Better luck I had among few Latino's friends. They didn't condemn, but also didn't provide support. What was posted here, and removed, for very long (a decade?) was posted in web in more friendly environment: not celestial (my wrong posting place).

Seriously... TLDR

Seriously... TLDR

ELYSAB wrote:... we may explain why the other passengers didn't try to seat on vacant seats next to me.

ELYSAB's latest post is very different from the preceding ones. Those were the posts of a man obsessed with a historically unlikely hypothesis, impervious to being ignored or criticized perhaps, but we have seen worse here.

His latest post, in which he describes what are clearly delusional and possibly psychotic experiences, makes it clear why he sat alone in the plane on that day. I suggest that he would be well advised to seek medical advice.