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RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:39 am
by _ELYSAB
RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

We are to unveil the Geography of the Book of Mormon based on the word of the main and first LDS Prophet: Joseph Smith. Thus we are not based on any other scientist or wise person from BYU or elsewhere. We can imagine the problems the Israelites had when they gave their gold and confidence to other that was not their Main Prophet.

Joseph Smith provided the correct teaching about the Geography of the Nephites living according to the Book of Mormon. The most evident teaching took place during the episode in which it was discovered the White Lamanite warrior ZELPH at the margin of the Illinois River. Many heard the revelation about such ZELPH and bout where he lived and thus about the GEOGRAPHY of Nephites Kingdom. The account has good registers from IMPORTANT PERSONS at the historic files of the CHURCH.

It is evident that ZELPH was a NEPHITE (he was "white") that because of political collapse he was joined with lamanites. And such ZELPH was so important that he had traveled from one extremity of the Nephites kingdom to the other, or from the true Cumorah Hill, next to nowadays New York town to the Rocky Mountains (where it was found the evidences of NEPHITES scripture written, deeply carved, on a rock flat surface, in Los Lunas, near Albuquerque, New Mexico).

Thus KINDERHOOK is very well in such pathway... Also Winter Quarters, Nauvoo, Independence, Kirtland, and all where along the main axis of the Nephitic Empire...

I was one owner and technical director of a very large mapping company, of high precision, of Brazil, some 20 years ago. Thus it was quite easy to UNVEIL the mystery of making the map of Nephitic Empire. Because I am not bound to traditions: that empire was in Mexico or Guatemala. Maybe Aaron provided that revelation. Could?

Now we are to provide the map of the region of MANTI Town, where we have so many interesting features, as the great battle of lamanites just after passing RIPLAH HILL and their fights up to reach the SIDON River, where so many lamanites died, chased by Nephites in both margins. The town/fortress of MANTI was in the other side. Where is the "sea" where the flow of water conducted the dead lamanites for they sink and be buried for ever? How could they be buried in the sea? What covered them, besides water? How wide was (is) the Sidon River at the point of crossing (battle) by lamanites? Is it such "neck" of lands, the narrowest gorge of lands?

Let us to start as good topographs that has nothing to do with what is being done based on "tradition"... Let us FORGET ABOUT all of that.

RIPLAH is a HILL. The text says about that.

RIPLIANCUM is from RIPL I ANCUM.
ANCUM provides the idea of something VERY WIDE, "VAST, And UNLIMITED"

Think about. You are on a HILL---> RIPL AH (AH=property). The hill is owned by a Mr. RIPL (RIPL is name of a family, the owner).

From such RIPL's HILL we have a very VAST, UNLIMITED what? "VIEW"! It is a strategic place. So strategic the place was that NEPHITES were camped there, hidden in the south part. From there they could see the Lamanites approaching from very far away. This is way they were there...

RIPLIANCUM is the view from the TOP of a HILL where we have a very explendid, vast and "unlimited view". Probably it is good for controlling the traffic on the sea and also through Indian Trails. As Indian Trails were next to the margins of River and Sea, Lakes.... We can guess. Just use topographic maps (USGS) with altimetry.... And very fast we can locate RIPLIANCUM, knowing the region.

To know the correct HILL, is just to examine which one will provide the unlimited and Wide vision, strategic position and vision.
With this approach, in one day it was located Riplah (Ripliancum).

http://img12.mediafire.com/b179bd4047cd3e4a85661bfbf2838065a988b0cfd60f97040fb00f9a66336f4b6g.jpg CLICK TO SEE THE EMPIRE NEPHITE.

GEOGRAPHY OF THE NEPHITIC EMPIRE ACCORDING JOSEPH SMITH

The RED LINE departing from the STATUE OF LIBERTY (LONG ISLAND) = point 1 and then to
point 2 = CUMORAH HILL (limit provided by Joseph Smith about ZELPH)
point 3 = KIRTLAND, Ohio (next to RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, MANTI, etc.)
point 4 = INDEPENDENCE, Missouri
point 5 = NAUVOO, ILLINOIS (Next to Kinderhook plates)
point 6 = WINTER QUARTERS
point 7 = SALT LAKE REGION (it is ROCKY MOUNTAINS, "refuge", Zelph)
point 8 = LOS LUNAS, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO (Rocky Mountains, "refuge").

ELYSAB

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:04 pm
by _ELYSAB
RIPLIANCUM was located based on the "meaning" of the word "ripliancum" in Nephitic language when translated to English language. And such meaning, in English language, was translated into topographic (geographic) meaning, that returned with the LOCATION of the place on the ground in which we have such feature of "ripliancum": a very high place where we have the unlimited vast explendid and strategic view of the region, nearby the town of MANTI, where we have the "neck" made by two great lands pressing the SIDON River, making it pass as if through a very narrow pass way "gorge, neck". And in some point the Sidon River flowing from East to West, more or less at such "neck". This is a quite difficult topographic "puzzle". Not so much nowadays with good USGS maps, and even with "Google Maps and Satellites" and similar, easily available.

I remember I used the USGS planimetric and altimetric maps when making the search for locating the RIPLAH hill from where we have the RIPLIANCUM splendid and vast view. When we found them, even without going there, it was clear that was the so strategic point and the VIEW was really so vast and immense and splendid of the region and they were viewing some 180°, like from one shoulder to other shoulder, of the HUGE SEA ahead (in front of any soldier) looking at it. So in fact it was "splendid", with the soldier being some 60 m above SEA WATER LEVEL and the slope to the river being very steep.

RIPLAH Hill is next to the small village named "OLINDA", in Ontario, Canada. Thus Nephites kingdom and Jaredites Kingdom also stretched into Canada. It was not limited to the USA, as some think...

http://maps.google.com.br/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&hl=pt-BR&tab=wl

See it. You have the remains of an Indian trail, the road "34", the "Talbot Road", coming from Niagara Falls (Buffalo town, Niagara Isthmus, ZARAHEMLA's kingdom), from the right side. And it goes to the upper and left side to the MANTI town (before that cross the Sidon = Cidon River, where so many Lamanites died).

You can see that there is a "Golf Course" and it is in the region of the RIPLAH HILL, and because of this it has the EXPLENDID VIEW. Thus it was placed the name: --> ORCHARD VIEW.

Select from MAP VIEW to SATELITE VIEW.
http://maps.google.com/
Enter with: olinda, ontario, canada. Unfold to full screen size.

After examining the "Map View", select Satellite View and "view it".

You can see the "top, crown" of big stone of RIPLAH HILL, and that the INDIAN TRAIL passed over it. Exact location is to be provided later.

We are to provide, later on, very detailed/enlarged maps, in altimetry, planimetry and constructions on the land, provided us by USGS (the responsible services for good quality technical maps of US), even this land and RIPLAH being in Canada (but nearby USA).

In the left side there is the control of altitude (elevation over sea level). In the lower extremity of control bar, click once on the "minus". Your image is as if seen from a greater altitude. See the Indian Trail and nowadays modern road "34" going to the town of "Manti" (Detroit), toward left and upper direction.

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see from higher elevation: we can see that the Indian Road, in the right side, is coming in the direction of the SEA WEST (LAKE ERIE) that is appearing on the down part of your screen. Almost reaching the margin of SEA WEST (Lake Ontario), such Indian Trail, at RUTHVEN, turns to your right, parallel to the Sea West (Lake Erie), continues as Talbot Rd, and then becomes Leamington. There is a secondary Indian Trail (road) very near the shore line of Sea West (Lake Ontario), going to Isthmus Niagara (Buffalo). Road 34, Indian Trail, continues to go, to the left and upward, to the Indian town named MANTI (nowadays Detroit).

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see from higher elevation: we can see that the Lamanites were coming, to the Riplah Hill (OLINDA village in the "orange drop"), from the right direction, through the Indian Trail bordering the WEST SEA (Lake Erie), through what is nowadays TALBOT TRAIL/ROAD "3". They're coming since ZARAHEMLA!
You can see that the Indian Trail/road "34" continues going to the right and upper side, toward the Indian town "Manti" (now Detroit).

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see that the Indian Trail/road "3" continues bordering the WEST SEA (Lake Erie), going to the Isthmus of Niagara, then in Nephites/Lamanites days it was the ZARAEMLA kingdom. Now it is Canada kingdom democracy, bordering USA at the Niagara Falls and Buffalo town. In the left and upper side of RIPLAH HILL (OLINDA village), we can see that the Indian Trail (now road 34) entered in the urban area of Metropolitan DETROIT-WINDSOR towns, and is ready to cross the SIDON = CIDON = CIDÃO = EL CIDON RIVER and we can see it is pointing (the crossing) toward the OLD FORT that originated nowadays DETROIT and that was the regrowth of Nephite Fort = MANTI Fort town, in the same place. In the upper you can see the Lake St. Clair and the Fort-TOWN of "TEANCUM", quite similar to the Fort-town MANTI: to avoid invasions of people from North-Lands. It is TECUMSEH on the Google Maps, in the Upper and left, above the big plate "401".

You can "see" WHERE the dead lamanites, transported by the waters of SIDON RIVER were buried in the WEST SEA, which is Lake Erie. Look at the Lower Part of the Bar of Control of Elevation, and then look at the right of the nearby place ESTRAL BEACH and then look at the discharge point of the SIDON RIVER into WEST SEA. There the velocity is decreased very much (to Lenthic conditions) and there the DEAD BODIES, with their weights (as anchors) SANK and were covered by thin SILT and SAND transported by the Sidon River. Thus a Natural Burial of lamanites took place. Satellites show that effect with great details, as natural event.

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We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see from a great elevation, as from spy airplanes. At the upper part you can see Lake St. Clair that is North Lands, North Sea. The white line dividing it, at its bottom, is the "hidden" Sidon River in the Lothic condition (flowing slowly, as if through the deepest of it: that is the modern teaching about rivers in lakes, even for legal purposes of boundaries. LDS didn't learn that in fact Lake Galileo in fact has a River flowing under it... ).

The same we can see about the SEA WEST = Lake Eire, with the WHITE LINE going from the discharge of Lothic (visible flow) River Sidon in Lake Erie up to the same River Sidon ("hidden") reappearing in Buffalo as Lothic (visible, the same) River... See the road 3, Indian Trail, coming from Zarahemla (Isthmus of Niagara) to Riplah Hill. Running away Lamanites, trying to escape from Nephites, were trying to get the Indian trail/road "75", from Manti to escape toward Toledo, bordering the "end" of Lake Erie. From Toledo they could continue bordering Lake Erie and return to the region of Buffalo.

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see from an even much greater elevation. We can see almost the whole Lake Erie, which is WEST SEA.
As I told you, the region of Riplah (Ripliancum), and thus of MANTI, were quite "nearby" to that of Kirtland, Ohio. They were just in opposite margins of the Lake Erie (West Sea)... not far one in relation to the other site. Both as part of the Nephitic Empire. Nephite and Lamanite people and warriors run up and down over the place that was to be Kirtland (near Cleveland, very near North Madison in modern map).

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see that in fact there is a big lake that is toward the "WEST", the "SEA WEST" (Lake Erie) and there is a Big Lake that is toward the "EAST", the "east sea" (Lake Ontario = Ontarium in Nephitic=Sabellicus and means ONT=silver A=raw=ore R=order to purify IUM=the place to do it). BIG NAME?

Can you see that the Earth = Land is forced to make a NECK between the WATERS, between the lakes? And that there is one place where the neck is narrowest? Where it was built the huge channels of navigation (and for hydropower generation) linking the CHICAGO to the OCEANS, passing from one LAKE to the OTHER trough a system of gates? And that was made in the place of shortest distance? It is one and a half day of walking distance.

From Detroit = MANTI, You can see that we go NORTH. Thus the Waters and lands that depart from MANTI=depart to north, are the North Lands and North Sea. (No problem if they "bend"). The Lake St. Clair, Huron and Michigan are considered just one lake, as by Indians, as there is no waterfall, and you can navigate by a caique or canoe or sail ship from all over it. The division is political, names)

We are to click again to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see that the NORTH SEA goes from MANTI to CHICAGO and in fact all of that is SIDON RIVER "HIDDEN" or Sidon River "LENTHIC", as is modern terminology. Thus the heads of Sidon River passing through Manti = Detroit are sited in Chicago, and there they start as Sidon River/Creek "LOTHIC" (visible). As it flows also toward the direction of Illinois River, Sidon River has 2 branches, one going North and other South, thus going to Mississippi river, and Gulf of Mexico. Thus it was very easy for an Indian go to Gulf of Mexico or Mexico: all by water. Just go to Manti and Manti to Chicago and Chicago through Illinois River to Mississippi and to Gulf of Mexico and coasting to the Mexico.

Pay attention that there is in fact an East SEA (fresh water, in none place it is said it is SALTY water... Galilea SEA is SALTY water?), and quite bordering it is CUMORAH HILL. And there is in fact a WEST SEA. See how distinct they are. One stretches to the EAST. Other to the WEST.

We are to click AGAIN and AGAIN to the "minus" at the lower extremity of the left bar of control of elevation. We can see how huge the Nephitic Empire was. Examine the lower left side, for the state of New Mexico. You can see the "ROCKY MOUNTAINS" in the image of satellite. Locate the town of "ALBUQUERQUE".

That was the limit of nephitic empire, its last refuge, as a forecast for the days of collapse. Something was found there, a message for you, LDS, carved on stone, written in Sabellicus language, quite easy to understand. It is in accordance with the warning provided by Joseph Smith when he explained the situation of the geography of nephitic empire at its collapsing days and made comments of the case of Zelph.Zelph was known from the Rocky Mountains to the Hill Cumorah and J.Smith told about the Indians of New York (Onandogas = Jews of Judah). LDS make mockery of their prophet when they say the prophet was an ignorant. Thus had none knowledge about geography...

It is quite like say Moses was also an ignorant and that Aaron was correct. That we should worship gold statues, instead of some god we can't see even their gold plates... It was based on experience, of cases like ZELPH, that Joseph Smith, guided the Church for ("again") obtain refuge in mountains, not in Mexico or Guatemala: in middle of touristy attractitive but so pagan bloodiest pyramids (never had Nephitic past or tradition to protect LDS).

You can see so huge is the distance from ALBUQUERQUE (from Los Lunas) to the Cumorah Hill, or to Buffalo or New York (nearby). You can reason so huge it was in people and wealth at the zenith. Quite like USA nowadays. How could so mighty nation decay and collapse? As took place with so other mighty nations and civilizations? Will it repeat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelph
These accounts declared that the bones were from Zelph, a "white Lamanite" .... "that was known from the hill Cumorah on East sea to the Rocky mountains," thus ... Godfrey 1994 "Zelph was a white Lamanite, a man of God who was a warrior and ... McBride, Reuben (3 June 1834), Reuben McBride Journal, Salt Lake City, ...
The Cumorah Hill is located ON SHORE LINE or SHORE REGION of the EAST SEA = LAKE ONTARIO. Thus a topograph knowing where is located "EAST SEA", ALL the TOPOGRAPHY and GEOGRAPHY of the NEPHITES KINGDOM is UNVEILED... revealed.

Zelph - The White Lamanite Warrior
www.utlm.org/onlineresources/zelph.htm
He was a warrior and chieftain under the great prophet Onandagus, who was known from the Hill Cumorah, or eastern sea to the Rocky Mountains. The curse ...

Zelph, ancient Mormon Warrior
mormonthink.com/zelph.htm
The white Lamanite warrior discovered by Joseph Smith on the Zion's Camp March. ... comp. and ed., Dean C. Jessee (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1984), 324) ... the hill Cumorah on East sea to the Rocky mountains," thus implying that the ...

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:12 pm
by _ELYSAB
We can see how absurd is the way "teachings and guidance" provided by the prophet Joseph Smith, about the Geography of Nephites Kingdom, as in relation to the case of Zelph White Lamanite Warrior Skeleton, was so much distorted by some Wises of LDS. For sure they don't trust on their prophet or that is not convenient. As it was not convenient for people follow in Moses' guidance, that was quite like based in believing in a God that only Moses was able to "see and talk with". Quite like the LDS are supposed to believe on the existence of Gold Plates that they never saw and are supposed to believe on teachings that came from those plates and from the prophet, the "New Moses". Instead they preferred to have "modern gold calf, created through science and scientific reasoning = speculations", as if under Aaron's guidance in relation to the Geography of Book of Mormon. In the desert, Aaron's follower gave up of their foolish and decided to follow Moses. Whatever he disclosed to them. Even if about Zelph and the Geography of Lamanites and Nephites living according to the Book of Mormon.

http://www.bookofmormongeography.net/images/map.jpg

Click on previous above URL and see the map from the LDS wises people, from ZION, with their idea (faith) about the limits and size of the Kingdom of Nephites and Lamanites and the position of some of their important places, as of towns, battles, rivers, etc.
You can see that such map, just to start, is much distorted, as false as one BILL of 33 US Dollars. For a topography that is absurd. Only in very old days, as medieval days, it was usual to have such type of maps, usually made without topographic equipments. Nowadays, even common people with the use of GPS can make very good, precise and reliable maps, and present them in exact scale.

http://www.bookofmormongeography.net/map.htm
This site, with above URL, describes the MAP presented with above as "image", and provide what is and where it is located the points that are presented on such map, by Virginia Elieson.

Our study town, MANTI, would be the number "27", and would be sited in the South of Mexico, near its border. Thus it is very huge distance far away from the true town of Manti, in the border of USA and Canada, at the border of West Sea (of fresh Water), the Lake Erie, where it is sited the town of Detroit and the huge Sidon River passing through it (town of MANTI) and discharging into Sea West (not EAST)...

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/aeadfbb2d089068587b232cdbfc158f68d5e6051df954052f5687adcd7ea82156g.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/133f0dfb842ee445c5e6f0f2770d4bedbc542283679c3194422317c2bbd6404d6g.jpg
The same previous DUAL map (satellite and BYU, probably, full of distortions, and biased toward a solution AGAINST the PROPHET), but now showing just the Satellite map.

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See where it is located MANTI town, Cumorah Hill (next to the East Sea=Lake in Nephitic, see Sea Galilee = Lake Galilee) and Rocky Mountains (as in New Mexico and in Salt Lake Rocky Mountains, very famous for Snowing: I went there as visitor).

We have very enlarged and correct satellite map (no distortions) with the LIMITS of the GEOGRAPHY OF Nephitic Kingdom according prophet Joseph Smith (as in the case of ZELPH, the white lamanite Warrior), stretching from MOUNT CUMORAH (next to the EAST SEA = Lake Ontario) to the Rocky Mountains (in the known case, it is to LOS LUNAS, next to ALBUQUERQUE, in New Mexico---> quite similar to SALT LAKE Rocky MOUNTAINS). You can see in down part of such Satellite Map, the absurd and ultra distorted map provided by LDS studies (probably by LDS). The distortions are very huge at the south border of Mexico, in what is called Meso-America (out of scale). Where is located Cuba? Was it the way to get rid of the Cubans and Fidel Castro? They are people...

I am University Professor for 43 years and I teach my students to do things that are correct, not so abusive distortions. You make a circle around something you want to show in more detail, and you present that part in another map of greater scale... That is what correct, expected and academic.

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Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:30 pm
by _ELYSAB
Let us see more details related to the Nephitic town of MANTI and related to the RIPLAH HILL, where we have the RIPLIANCUM, the striking and quite unlimited view (of over 180° wide angle) of WEST SEA, which is Erie Lake.

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Also we have greatest view of Lamanites coming by walking along the Indian Trail bordering the WEST SEA = Erie Lake since Niagara Isthmus (Zarahemla, Buffalo town) = point "A" to RIPLAH HILL = point "B". And then from such Riplah Hill going, along Indian Trail, to cross the Sidon River = point "C" and enter into Manti town=fort, at the point "D". From "D" the Nephites could walk, through Indian Trail, toward point "E", going to "North Lands" (arriving in nowadays Chicago town, the HEADS of Sidon River) and always walking along the margin of the "North Sea".

You can see the Sidon River coming from Chicago, and arriving as thick blue line with arrows pointing to MANTI. When arriving to MANTI its flow had the direction WEST to EAST in some length (section). Then it arrived at the most narrow point (minimum width, the NARROWEST "NECK of water" between LANDS) and then slowing velocity and discharging at the WEST SEA which is ERIE LAKE, at the point "G", where it settles the sand and silt carried by waters of Sidon River. Thus in such point the dead lamanites were BURIED into the SEA. You can see that the lamanites that survived tried to follow the Indian trail from point "D" to point "E", bordering along the Sidon River and then bordering along the West Sea = Lake Erie. Going ahead of point "E", they walked all around the West Seat = Lake Erie, bordering it, up to join with other Lamanites, as nearby Buffalo town.

At the very right down corner you can see the ENLARGED DETAIL of the region around RIPLAH HILL, in Olinda village region. You can see where it is located the RIPLAH HILL = "point B" and the STONE that "crowns" the Hill Riplah. That was well shown in the USGS map and some photos. From point "B" you can have RIPLIANCUM, so splendid viewing of the SEA WEST and of the Indians Trail coming and going away from Riplah Hill and the movement of boats and Sail Ships (as Hagoth's) through the Sidon River and Lake St. Clair and through Lake Erie. Thus RIPLIANCUM was very strategic one.

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:40 am
by _ELYSAB
Would you like to "see" one "good visible EXTERNAL map"? What about the Hill "Riplah, where we can have the almost unlimited "view" of waters, "RipliAncum"? And of the Indian Trails coming from Zaraenla (Buffalo town) bordering Lake Erie (West Sea) to Riplah Hill? And the Indian Trail going from the Riplah Hill to the margin of Sidon River (to cross it) and Manti town/fort.

Such hill Riplah is in the region of Manti town (Detroit Area, in the border with Canada nation). There is a map of its broad "external" location. It was already provided:

http://img15.mediafire.com/efc3d33da4ecce29cd801f9fddbf675c6791201b00920f432db483fdfeca4ba96g.jpg

Click on such URL. You will see the whole region nearby the Manti town. See as a true and real "map", not map of an "imaginary and theoretical place": internal to your mind.

Now you can click on the next URL and you are to see much enlarged map of the RIPLAH hill. From such hill top we can see the view named "RipliAncum".

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/51cdaf311722f82d437797a53bd4a9af41b7e5719947547ac66047054caa49296g.jpg

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Here you can see such map in a not so enlarged view (more reduced scale). But just click over the above URL and you will see the map more enlarged. Look at the lower right corner. It is shown the Indian trail coming from ZARAHENLA (Buffalo town) bordering the West Sea (Lake Erie). After passing to the left under the town of LEAMING, the Indian trail turn to upright and goes to bend to the left at the Indian Trail having two names on it: TRILHA ... TRILHA, and just next (to left) we have written "RIPLAH". It is the HILL RIPLAH. The main part of it is downward.

For sure it is not an "internal imaginary map", but something "very real, tangible map". You can go there, easily, because it is more than a road or street map. It is a U.S.G.S. map, of very high precision and greatest details. It provides the ground elevation through ground level contour lines. You can have also precise coordinates, as North East to meridians of reference and also N E to some Universal Transverse of Mercator (UTM) and similar that is used in GPS devices for navigation. You can't become "lost" in going to "Hill Riplah". Is this the damned "internal mapping"? Or is it what everybody makes use in their automobiles, boats, airplanes, walking? BE SMART people!

Where is "Riplah"? I found it because I am a great expert in Mapping and not a very biased religious person. I am a "practical person" trying to earn money and "teach"...

There is a huge title, in blue letters. "Riplah Hill" is in the upper and middle of the map. And then a black line is going down from it. It reaches exactly "RIPLAH", in bold red inclined letters, and there is a contour line for top elevation of the hill. In the enlarged scale you can see the numbers of the elevation above "sea West", which is Lake Erie.

Lamanite Army marched through a trail on top of the north part of the Riplah hill, toward the direction of Manti (to your left=west, coming from your right=east=from Niagara Fall Isthmus). I provided you the complete pathway of the lamanites along the whole area of this map.

There is a little Riplah Hill at the East side of Riplah Hill, and next to it there is a spring of water: at the east of Riplah Hill. See map. And the Nephite Army was able to hide in the south part of the Riplah Hill and even without going there it is easy to know this is possible because of the "elevation of the ground, by the contour elevation lines". In fact it starts a great slope toward the West Sea (Lake Erie).

If we want much greater details, as the topographic details of the very crown of Riplah Hill, for example, it is just enough to use the URL of the site "Terraserver" (that provides such topographic and geodesic service do US government and all its agencies and to all citizens). For the Riplah Hill the coordinates are part of this URL:

JUST LEARN HOW TO USE GOOD QUALITY TECHNICAL MAPS as USGS.

You should learn about the "Terraserver provider". Just examine this following site and "enjoy"!

Let us play with searching "Riplah Hill"?

http://www.terraserver.com/

Open the screen by clicking over the above URL. Then enter (type):
Country = Canada; (street = - - void)
City/Place = OLINDA (it is the very tinny village next to "Riplah Hill", on his upper and left side, very close to it; it has no street).
Province = ON (Ontario ---> it comes from the Nephitic words ONT=silver !)
Next just press "search" and you "will see the map of region of Olinda showing Riplah hill" without my help of uploading you maps.

Can you show ALTIMETRY DETAILS to LOCATE A "HILL", Hill Riplah?
No problem. Go with the browser to the little square "TOPOS" (means TOPOGRAPHY) and click over it. Your plain map shifts to topographic map. You have the lower word which is "Terraserver". Pay attention! The ending "ver" is already over the "upper part" of the "Riplah Hill". We can "see" that because of the "contour line" of same elevation above sea level, that in the other side has one elevation marked on it (225m above sea level? Canada is metric system).

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:13 pm
by _ELYSAB
GREAT AND FINAL DETAILS OF RIPLAH HILL and RIPLIANCUM

Let's examine again, now in great and final details, the Riplah Hill subject. Now we will examine the very top (crown) of RIPLah Hill.

In the last posted material we already examined a quite general land around the RIPLah Hill through the supply of the next URL.

It allows you to see much enlarged the region around RIPLAH hill, but without having great details specific to the top or crown of Riplah Hill.

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Here you can see such map in a not so enlarged view (more reduced scale). But just click over the above URL and you will see the map very enlarged.

From such hill top we can see the view named "RipliAncum" = RIPL + I + ANCUM = "splendid view" for the "male" of family "RIPL"

What are the "greatly enlarged details" of the very "top or crown" of Riplah Hill, thus in a very short distance?
Click over the next URL and see "very enlarged" such top or crown of the very RiplAH Hill with great topographic details related to it.

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This is just the small sized scale map of the top or crown of the RiplAH Hill, Click on previous URL to see such map very enlarged.
At the upper part of RiplAH Hill we have the Lamanite trail, from right going to left and then upward, going to Detroit (Manti).
You can see that the Indian trail climbed RiplAh Hill (but they could not see the Nephite's Army hidden on South) and before they also climbed a smaller version of hill alike a small version of Riplah Hill.

The top or crown was just above the elevation of 225 m (above Atlantic Sea; East West = Lake Erie is at 174,2m of elevation above Atlantic Sea), according the topographic contour line around the crown and water level elevation in one topographic map. Thus Riplah Hill is some 50 m above water level of Sea West (Lake Erie).

Riplah Hill is the local highest peak in the region. Greatest and magnificent splendid view: RipliAncum (!).

It is a very strategic place to see traffic of boats and ships through Manti, in Lake Erie and through Sidon River.

And it is also nice to see troop’s movements along Indian trails toward Manti or coming from it, as to go to Isthmus Niagara.

See where it was the water fountain (spring), an essential supply for any Army.

This kind of map you can obtain from U.S.G.S. I paid nothing for it, in my time of research (some 10 years ago). It is available for all USA lands and some other lands (as part of Canada).

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/b4ba72423cfba35304cc62a676423c937370e912fd1a4473b728e92e5d0dd9a86g.jpg

If you want to see the next (below) map much more enlarged, please click on previous URL.

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The map shows the broad region around Riplah Hill, going to Manti town and Sidon River.

You can see that the Indian trail survived very nicely because it was transformed into modern paved streets and avenues.

You can see also the exact point of crossing Sidon River, because of many things.

One of them is because it is the narrowest "neck". As if the "bottle neck", in which USA lands and Canada lands are quite like pressing the Sidon river to the least width (600m...).

You can see why Teancum, now with a corrupted name, was so important. It was a fort to control an important Indian trail coming to Manti town.

You should learn that Jordan River (of Israel) continued to flow (exist), as hidden Jordan River "LENTHIC" through (under, hidden...) Lake Galilee. Thus in fact the Lake Galilee technically is a "RIVER".

The same is here with Sidon River flowing as "Lenthic" condition river under Lake St. Clair and Sea West (quite like Sea Galilee) = Lake Erie.

And the very "pressed and narrowed point" the Sidon river is passing through the narrowed width as "river in lothic flow condition". Contrary to some LDS research, we use nothing of “image maps” as if from “imagination” (as if from Beetles’ Imagine) to describe real world...

That is modernity that I learned in Berkeley in 1978 and since then I teach to my students at the University...

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:51 pm
by _ELYSAB
VIEW OF MANTI town, "NECK" of SIDON RIVER=BATTLE CROSSING BY LAMANITES AT NARROWEST WIDTH, TEANCUM, SIDON RIVER FLOWING FROM EAST TOWARD WEST, LAMANITES BEING BURIED INTO SEA


This kind of topographic map of high altimetric precision you can obtain from U.S.G.S. through Terraserver. I paid nothing for it when I did this research some 10 years ago. Such maps are available for all USA lands and some other lands (as part of Canada).

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If you want to see the next (below) map much more enlarged, please click on next URL.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/b4ba72423cfba35304cc62a676423c937370e912fd1a4473b728e92e5d0dd9a86g.jpg

The map shows the broad region around Riplah Hill, going to Manti town and Sidon River.

You can see that the Indian trail survived very nicely because it was transformed into modern paved streets and avenues.

You can see also the exact point of crossing Sidon River (you will see that in greater details), because of many things.

One of them is because it is the narrowest "neck" of waters pressed by lands of USA (Detroit) and of Canada (Windsor). Things are as if the "bottle neck" of waters of Sidon River are made in which USA lands and Canada lands are quite like pressing the Sidon river to flow through the least width (600m...) in front of the MANTI town-fort (nowadays Fort WAYNE, the regrowth of old town MANTI: same point). NOTICE: in Isthmus of Niagara there is other type of "NECK" made of 2 huge waters (West Sea and East Sea) pressing the "Neck of lands" (of Isthmus of Niagara), and in the most narrow of the neck was 1.5 Nephite soldier walking = nowadays Wellands Channel.

You can see why Teancum, now with a corrupted name, was so important. It was a fort to control an important Indian trail coming (going to) from North Lands (in Canadian Side/North Lands-North Sea) to Manti town.

You should learn that Jordan River (in Israel) continued to flow, as Jordan River "LENTHIC" through (under, hidden...) under Lake Galilee.
The same is here with Sidon River flowing as "Lenthic" condition river under Lake St. Clair and Sea West (quite like Sea Galilee) = Lake Erie.

And the very "pressed and narrowed" Sidon river is passing through the narrowed width as "river in full lothic flow condition".

Here we use nothing of “image maps” from “imagination” (as if from Beetles’ singer, as in their music "Imagine")...

That is modernity that I learned in Berkeley in 1978 and since then I teach to my students at the University...

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Also you may click on URL to see the enlarged version of next below map. What/where are "North sea and north land". North is defined in relation to "what"?
Here you can see the Indian trail, coming since Riplah Hill, arriving at the margin of Sidon River (Detroit River), at the point where the NECK is the most narrow possible.

In such place ("exact point") the river Sidon is flowing from East to West (check it enlarging a precision topographic map from USGS). Maybe at that time they used magnetic North (remember: LiahONA was a magnetic compass). Thus some little deviation is possible with true geographic north.

They built Fort Wayne in such most narrow River width exactly because it was the most strategic possible position, as in the Nephitic Empire days.

Manti fort (town) was in the place of Fort Wayne and was as strategic as Constantinople, of the old past days (between Europe and Asia) to control vast movements of goods (merchandise) and troops in great Nephitic Empire.

Great (huge) Hagoth's sail ships, with cargo and passengers, had to pass through Manti that was like Constantinople: the "NECK"... I even got a great deal of hydraulics information related to Sidon River and its cross section, flow velocity, transport of sediment, ice, etc. in front of Manti town...
At such position Sidon River "lothic" (Detroit River) is a Huge River.
It was not easy for Lamanites cross it, mainly if their boats (Kayaks) were punctured on departure by Nephites run back them since Riplah...


Next we are to provide the examination of this piece of GEOGRAPHY of Book of Mormon: the MANTI REGION.

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It is the end of the Indian Trail (nowadays urban road, road, avenue) coming from RIPLAH HILL and ending at the margin of the SIDON RIVER (Detroit River) at the point of crossing it, as the Lamanites did it in so terrible and deadly day for them, in which so many died, tried to get into the other margin, into your left, in what is written as modern FORT WAYNE, the ANCIENT MANTI town/Fort. . You can notice that the general flow of Sidon River is from Eastward toward WESTward, toward SEA (West Sea, Lake Erie).

Little to say on this version. Pay attention to the date. This late version is of 2004. I guess first versions are well over 10 years old.

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Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:28 pm
by _ELYSAB
BATTLE OF LAMANITES CROSSING THE SIDON RIVER in front of SIDON

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8f8178058b05c69d397e6b1a5725b89748185a31ef26be196ed251f83202a50c6g.jpg

OK. Pay attention to the date. This last version is of 2004. I guess first versions are well over 10 years old: very far away from LDS, as BYU, FAR and others. But in accordance with Joseph Smith.

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Notice the width of the SIDON RIVER = DETROIT RIVER to cross. It is deep and water velocity is enough to pull downstream any person trying to swimm: it will require extra strength/effort. In any way it allows the use of SAIL SHIPs and SAIL BOATs (as HAGOTH's SAIL SHIP to travel through this RIVER, as go to from LAKE ERIE to LAKE ST. CLAIR TO LAKE HURON to LAKE MICHIGAN to Chicago Town = the Heads of SIDON RIVER).

We have 600m for crossing the SIDON RIVER, or 2,000 FEET. It was more than enough for NEPHITES be waiting the more or less exact point of landing in the other margin, the crossing boats of lamanites. Probably boats made like CAIAQUES, with structure made of light wood and covered with leather from buffalos. Thus probably the Nephites coming behind the Lamanites, since RIPLAH hill, had as task to puncture the caiaques boats, for make them sink in the attempt of crossing 600m of water width, from margim to margim.

American Heritage Dictionary: ca·ïque
1. A long narrow rowboat used in the Middle East.
2. A small sailing vessel used in the eastern Mediterranean.
[French, from Italian caicco, from Ottoman Turkish qayïq, from Old Turkic qayghuq.]
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ca-que#ixzz1XT8lzHaq

Oxford Dictionary of Archaeology: Caique
Traditionally, small wooden trading vessel, brightly painted and rigged for sail. Found around Greece and in the Aegean.
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ca-que#ixzz1XT9AznXy
There are references of the use of CAIAQUES in North America, with association of light density wood with leather of animals.

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:48 pm
by _Tarski
mania

Re: RIPLAH, RIPLIANCUM, town MANTI, SIDON River, Teancum,"Neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:11 pm
by _Chap
Tarski wrote:mania


That's a place in the Book of Mormon that you want ELYSAB to locate?