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Book of ABRAHAM is VERY FALSE. ALSO, at the heart it is TRUE

I have published for well over 10 years in WEB that the Book of Abraham is a VERY FALSE BOOK.

As Book of Abraham is available, it is as quite dangerous as a corrupted complex program, for your computer, that you received plenty with virus difficult to eliminate. They were added with that purpose.

In any way the Book of Abraham was added because it is a quite valid source of information originated from Abraham: what is left from Abraham, uncorrupted.

I first learned about Book of Abraham when I yet was a Muslim and I learned about its existence when it was a correct and reliable book together with the Book of Moses (at that time they were lost for the Christianity). Also in other chapters of Koran Book (the sacred Book for Islam, quite like Bible for Jews and Christians) it is provided some information that are linked to our LDS Book of Abraham, as related to Kolob. It suggests Book of Abraham is corrupted in time equation for Kolob (just a math. reasoning).

THINK ON THAT.

ABRAHAM CAME TO TEACH THE TRUTH, ONLY THE TRUTH.

Thus the ABRAHAM was not to teach about the Syncretism of HIS ONLY ONE GOD, MONOTHEISM, with the PANTHEISM of EGYPTIAN religion,clearly shown in a FACSIMILE with ISIS Goddess (nice looking) at the left of some God sat on the throne... Thus Abraham's teaching has to be totally separated from any such teaching from the Egyptian, that are in Book of Abraham's TEXT and DRAWINGS...

No doubt the Drawings may become nice "decoration" on your walls...

It would be as absurd as Catholic priests coming to the Mexico and creating, immediately, a new theology mixing CHRISTIANITY with the BLOODIEST THEOLOGY of the MEXICAN GODS=Jeovah? AND RELIGIONS FROM MEXICO=LDS?

For sure with quite long range such misture of theologies took place, with absorption of some elements of one religion/culture to the other, as from one miraculous Indian "Mary, mother of Jesus, as Goddess, mother of God..."----- a classic link with local population, for "soft link and absorption" of theologies.

But what ABRAHAM would have done was quite like being ABSORBED by the EGYPTIAN RELIGION and CULTURE and POWER.

Thus what would be the CLEAN DRAWINGS from ABRAHAM became full of ADITIONS from EGIPTIAN PRIESTS, quite like making null the FACSIMILES, because any meaning they had originally had been VOID with the ADDITIONS, made by FALSE PRIESTS, saying what the FACSIMILES would be meant to signify. Also the original FACSIMILES received additions to GUIDE their meaning toward the desired IDENTIFICATION and MEANING desired by the EGYPTIAN religion. It is like you have you picture and then in photographic laboratory they add several features on you that distort totally your image. Thus it becomes impossible to recognize your TRUE "YOU".

Thus it is required to RESTORE the FACSIMILE to the original condition, as when the situation of the ABRAHAM DAYS, removing all what was added by the FALSE PRIESTS. For sure in the days of NEPHITES, living in EGYPT, the degree of corruption and change of the original FACSIMILES was one. Then it was the time, and the corruption and degradation of Egyptian Religion continued, and thus the FACSIMILES turned into even more corrupted texts for common use in handling dead people in their burial. The book of death, with the "magic recipe" and guide for the world of dead.

For sure the original teaching provided by Abraham was turned into something linked to facsimile. As facsimile were corrupted, the text of Abraham had to be corrupted. In days of Nephites living in Egypt, one copy of such text, quite easily available, was sold to Nephi, and translated to Nephitic. Thus it was translated not from hieroglyphs but from Nephitic directly to English. But could be said that was translated from hieroglyphs to English, because that was the global result, but done in 2 steps separated by almost 2,500 years...

Thus some teachings are in fact Egyptian teachings, as we don't know what and where the Egyptian priests added their corruption.

For sure that was done thinking on Egyptian religion; quite like with Abraham "baking them", instead for Abraham providing us revelation. If that was the case Abraham had put that revelations inside some ceramic vase, placed a ceramic lid, made it hermetically closed with some "mud", and placed into some "cave", for example. As took place with other Jewish materials that survived so long time for us.

BEST PERSONAL REGARDS, THINK ABOUT. Abraham’s material is "SNAKE". If it was so significative, it had been received as direct revelation or the corrections had been received as direct revelation (as to clean up all evil Priests "Egyptian Additions and Influences").

What about if ABRAHAM taught that a FEMALE woman can be God, the Heavenly Mother, being the same God as Heavenly Father? But both being distinct Beings? Both having distinct features of Supreme Divine Priesthood Order? Something that False Priests and False Religion mixed up? There is just "ONE GOD". We are to enter into a Grey ground. But we can explain about. I posted a lot in the Judaism sites.

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Ezias wrote:FINALLY someone who knows something about something around here. Oh well. It's all a yin yang yo yo to me anyway. What will become of Earth when the Eye of Kolob strikes? Does L.A. go down or no? I like it and all but............

I like the truthyfalsyness of it anyway. cause........ya never know.......

However it did have me quite confused for a time and nobody would help sort that one out for me so thanks. My snake is "crazy" you know.

I think this board needs something a bit like the old MAD Pundit's forum, but, shall we say, not entirely like that. I propose ELYSAB and Ezias as Founder Members.

There is just the "ONE GOD", as being the "SUPREME BEING", Who is before any and all other BEING. This is why SUPREME is. In fact is the SUPREME source of LIFE and PRIESTHOOD, as everything originates from him/her/it (?): thus has no FATHER or MOTHER or COMPANION or WHITE or HUSBAND. Is prior to anyone as lifeform or divinity. Is Supreme Being. Is the ONE BEING as SUPREME BEING as the "ONE GOD". There is no OTHER GOD with "IT (?)": I "We(?" don't know how "I" is, if male or female or "What"(?). Probably it is not human alike, but just SPIRIT BEING that can inhabit into us, as a SUPREME SPIRIT BEING and provide LIFE ESSENCE for us is providers of life in our organizations ("creations"): essence of life, the spirit of life. It appears to be something like that.

Thus in fact to be God is to be a Living Temple of the Supreme Being, of the ONE GOD, for the ONE GOD inhabit, for ever, as in It’s Temple, in such a way it is impossible to separate. They become as if "grafted" one in the other, impossible to separate. As people can't get into the most inner and sacred of the Temple to worship, here, in the living Temples of the ONE GOD, they worship in the external of the Living Temple, the "God" of the "ONE GOD", who provide the conduction of the Worship (even as "burned incense" in KOLOB ceremony, to the inner of the Living Temple, to the "ONE GOD", and the prays and worships and offers and sacrifices... Thus the God is as if the one who INTERCEDES in favor of the PEOPLE, toward the people, as Jesus does and will do, as intercessor before the ONE GOD: he is a supreme Servant, as his Heavenly Father and Mother also are and they are one God Creator, God Elohim, Who Created Him as Spiritual Son, as shown in Facsimile of Book of Abraham... In the 3 is living the same ONE GOD, in the same LIVING TEMPLE of the ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING, Supreme SPIRITITUAL BEING, Who is the I AM "WHAT" I AM before any other God existed. Thus when Moses asked our as His Jehovah God who he was, Jehovah answered He was like a "grafted being", dual being, impossible to separate:
I AM the SUPREME BEING, the I AM "WHAT I AM". I EXIST SINCE ALLWAYS. I HAVE NO FATHER AND NO MATHER, NO WIFE OR COMPANION, AND I BEARED NONE TANGIBLE SON OR DAUGHTER. I AM.

ALSO, Brother Moses, I am the God who “appeared” to your ancestors and who became known of Them and guided them in a more close and familiar relationship. I am the God your commandant. Follow me as God.


The Supreme BEING, the “ONE GOD” can’t be seen for a mortal being, in full glory, and him survive in mortality. Because the “Glory” of the SUPREME BEING is infinite (supreme) and confined by the “veils” (quite like KOLOB Veils) into the LIVING TEMPLE who are the Gods. Thus a God, as Heavenly Father or Mother of Jesus or Adam or Eve, they can present even without Glory to us, as normal persons, or even with little glory, as required. Think in Jesus presenting resurrected without glory. There is a very easy explanation. Koran was very correct but as in the case of Book of Abraham, they corrupted the original message. Even the LDS did the same, presenting the death of a very 100% mortal person, Jesus, as being the death of a God divine person. In fact Jesus came to be sacrificed as a common lamb, not as a “God”. The Old Testament was very clear. Even John Baptist announced the coming of the LAMB for the SACRIFICE, not the coming of GOD for the SACRIFICE. But, as the EGYPTIAN FALSE PRIESTS, the modern ones, LDS, did the same. They CHANGED the SCRIPTURES and put that what was dying was Jesus

GOD, the GREATEST OF ALL…. When in fact what was dying was

“god = servant of God = ´prophet”

“Jesus died as the GREATEST OF ALL PROPHET, never as the GREATEST OF ALL GODS” false theologians

Changing scriptures!! Changing GEOGRAPHY OF Book of Mormon, as clearly disclosed by prophet Joseph Smith! Changing Book of Mormon….

Changing origins of Book of Mormon…. Language, translation…. Lack of respect for Jews and for Romans…


Well…. ELYSAB is SABELY=SABelli=SAV elli

More to be added,as the ideas of Tree of Life from Supreme Being and from Gods, being just "One", including the "Female" Ones through the Ethernal (Plural) Marriage. Remember ABRAHAM was married with 3 wives (spouses): plural marriage...




Book of ALMA 11:20
All this DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE SUPREME BEING, THE ONE GOD.
only about this. OUT if is possible to have "Gods" that are not the "ONE GOD", but that are Gods = LIVING TEMPLES of the "ONE GOD". As are the Heavenly Father, the Heavenly Mothers, Adam, Eve, Jesus, etc. They are GodS, Supreme Priests of THE ONE GOD grafted in THEM.

20 Now, it was for the sole purpose to get again, because they received their wages according to their bemploy, therefore, they did stir up the people to driotings, and all manner of disturbances and wickedness, that they might have more employ, that they might eget money according to the suits which were brought before them; therefore they did stir up the people against Alma and Amulek.

21 And this Zeezrom began to question Amulek, saying: Will ye answer me a few questions which I shall ask you? Now Zeezrom was a man who was expert in the devices of the devil, that he might destroy that which was good; therefore, he said unto Amulek: Will ye answer the questions which I shall put unto you?

22 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, if it be according to the Spirit of the Lord, which is in me; for I shall say nothing which is contrary to the Spirit of the Lord. And Zeezrom said unto him: Behold, here are six onties of silver, and all these will I give thee if thou wilt deny the existence of [b]a = ONE Supreme Being.[/b]

23 Now Amulek said: O thou child of hell, why tempt ye me? Knowest thou that the righteous yieldeth to no such temptations?

24 Believest thou that there is no God? (NO SUCH GOD, the ONE SUPREME BEING? THAT WAS THE QUESTION) I say unto you, Nay, thou knowest that there is a God, (the supreme being, object of the question) but thou lovest that alucre more than him.

25 And now thou hast lied before God unto me. Thou saidst unto me—Behold these six onties, which are of great worth, I will give unto thee—when thou hadst it in thy heart to retain them from me; and it was only thy desire that I should deny the true and living God (IS THE ONE THAT ALLWAYS EXISTED, THE ONE GOD, SUPREME BEING), that thou mightest have cause to destroy me. And now behold, for this great evil thou shalt have thy reward.

26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God? (IT IS THE SUPREME BEING, THE ONE GOD, THE "GOD ALONE", WITHOUT COMPANIONS)

27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God. (THERE IS SUCH "GOD ALONE", WITHOUT "COMPANIONS")

28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? (AS SUPREME BEING, reason of dispute, there IS JUST ONE SUPREME BEING, the "GOD ALONE", or HE WOULD NOT BE "SUPREME" or would DIVIDE HIS POWERS, SHARE THEM)

29 And he answered, No. (no, THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAN ONE SUPREME BEING, NOTHING MORE THAN THE "ONE BEING, THE ONE GOD"). But it is plenty of Gods, servants of the SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD as the SUPREME BEING.

30 Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things?

31 And he said: An aangel hath made them known unto me.

But what ABRAHAM would have done was quite like being ABSORBED by the EGYPTIAN RELIGION and CULTURE and POWER.

Thus what would be the CLEAN DRAWINGS from ABRAHAM became full of ADITIONS from EGIPTIAN PRIESTS, quite like making null the FACSIMILES, because any meaning they had originally had been VOID with the ADDITIONS, made by FALSE PRIESTS, saying what the FACSIMILES would be meant to signify. Also the original FACSIMILES received additions to GUIDE their meaning toward the desired IDENTIFICATION and MEANING desired by the EGYPTIAN religion. It is like you have you picture and then in photographic laboratory they add several features on you that distort totally your image. Thus it becomes impossible to recognize your TRUE "YOU".

This has been my hypothesis. The ancient Egyptians are well known for erasing and altering history to make the current rulling class look good and diminish the importance of the previous ruling class. Thus it would seem unlikely that the original story of Abraham escaping the Egyptian priests and Jehovah conquering their gods would be preserved and a wholsale change in interpretation is called for.

The ancient Greeks seem to have done the same in their mythology, pushing aside Jehovah and his prophets with heroes and gods who defeat them.

Maybe things are not so eays: mainly when you "know" something mainly about Book of Abraham. Mainly when you got such knowledge when you were just one year as LDS member.

Jehovah is quite like a "title" of power or of command, like in military structure. In an army we have a "general as commander of it". But one Army may have a branch of a greater Army, as if Sons are Branches power from a Father. Thus Heavenly Father is a "Greater General" or "greater Jehovah = Heavenly Commandant" than our "Jehovah", our "Sabaoth", Who is able to sat on the great "pew" or "chair" or command of the "great" commandant in chief, Heavenly in Chief. Who in fact "progressed" to such point. As in great past was just a mortal man, with Heavenly Mother, exactly as we are now, or as Jesus and his wife: quite powerless persons, living without active divine powers. In fact we have that Jehovah Gods are like PROXY DIVINE POWERS because they acquired two natures that became welded as one, impossible to separate, as if when we grafted one type of tree into another. In the case the distinction is very great, as the result is the union of the "general commandant Jehovah" into the "SUPREME JHOVAH BEING". Thus the result of the Union can reason as Jehovah himself and as SUPREME HEHOVAH = SUPREME BEING HIMSELF, with Jehovah being the "Divine VERB, SPOKESMAN, Proxy". They are distinct, but impossible to separate. In such sense, any "God" is the "supreme SERVANT, supreme PRIEST or PRIESTESS" of SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD that I AM what I AM living in HIM or HER quite like the LIVING DIVINE TEMPLE, for ever. We could reason the SUPREME BEING something quite like as a SUPREME SPIRITUAL BEING, space and time (as "is" from "alpha" to "omega" to "alpha" as if in an "eternal circle" of supreme time, thus such attribute becomes of "Gods").
It is difficult to provide an explanation for the relationship between the SUPREME BEING, the ONE GOD, and the Gods, when the Model is provided for the INSIDE. Thus it is nice to use John 15:1 that is related to Heavenly Father and the Son relationship as being that of a branch of VINE FATHER becoming the VINE SON and with VINE SON becoming another VINE TREE. They are exactly of the SAME NATURE. A person who see the VINE FATHER also "see" the VINE SON as being exactly "EQUAL", same features and behavior. The VINE FATHER becomes proud that the VINE SON has branches that have great production of grapes of good quality that yields wine of great quality and amount. In fact the desire of a living tree is to have great and good descendants, equal to him. That is the righteous goal of the species: multiplication. But for that goal is achieved, there is need of combat of EVIL DISEASES. And in this teaching this is not done by the FATHER or the SON, but by something MORE POWERFUL. In the teaching such POWER is shown as being with ANIMAL FEATURES, able to gather such branches and to transport them to far away place (as if to HELL) to BURN THEM. As if to keep the VINEYARD clean of PARASITES and sickness. This is to show that there are TWO DISTINCT types of NATURES acting in DIVINE LIFE. One is quite like "vegetal" and other is quite like "animal" and we can see that the "little man" is the symbolism of the "supreme being, the ONE GOD, the SUPREME JEHOVAH", as if the little man that decided to plant and took care of the first grape vine... as is prior to any God. In such sense is the "supreme Father", not biological One.

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A more strict view of John 15:1-15:6

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This is a more broad view of John



11 ¶And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?

12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, ---> here is SUPREME BEING, the OE GOD, talking through ONE GOD's "Verb", Jehovah (Supreme Proxy = Angel = God)
I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God (ONE GOD) said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, (Qualified Who is our Jehovah=Direct God Commandant) The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me (Moses didn't see the Supreme being), saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

17 And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey.

Dear Friends.
I know about the KOLOB in a practical way.
I already experienced crossing the "Kolob" curtain or border or "veil" in some practical way. The first experiences took place at very very long time ago and it was a quite unpleasant experience, but I could understand it was for a scientific purpose, quite like to check some aspects of what is exposed in Book of Abraham.

The conclusion, very clear, is that the text and facsimiles on Abraham was falsified, based on measurements that took some 10 hours based on our time referential. Thus I concluded that even if there are some things that are good in Book of Abraham, also there are many that are very corrupt.

You can see when you cross Kolob and see through the Veil that the original veil suffered in the hands of very apostated and evil and false Egyptian priests. What could expect from them? A perfect Book? Or their religion? They even falsified the concept on what is KOLOB and the meaning about what is shown in the facsimiles.

It is quite like with some Jews sect that took some parts of the Bible's teaching and they change the teaching toward esoterism: men's doctrine, only. They obtained totally new teachings that have nothing to do with Biblical teachings, as we have with Kabalah esoterism.

The Egyptian did the same with the original Book of Abraham's teaching and got into something like Egyptian esoterism, book of breathings, etc: just men's doctrines. And LDS silly people got into polytheism following a not so true book when Abraham was a very monotheism person. He never mixed monotheism faith with Egyptian polytheism religion.