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In the LDS scripture, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:5-19, we learn that after God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to young Joseph Smith, Joseph asked God what church he should join. Joseph relates God's response in verse 19:

I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”


We have to ask if this was really true. Would God in the early 1800s or even today, say that ALL their creeds were corrupt and were an abomination in his sight? Would he really say that the professors were ALL corrupt?

Undoubtedly some of the religious leaders were corrupt and some beliefs of some religions must be in error. But would a kind, loving Father in Heaven actually say that ALL creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight?

For the most part, religions try to serve God and do good things such as inspiring people to give to others, run soup kitchens, preach the golden rule, etc. Does it not sound somewhat harsh to label every religion at that time an abomination and every religious leader corrupt? At that time, Sidney Rigdon was a protestant minister. Was he corrupt as well as every other religious leader at the time or even today?

According to Joseph, God said that all the other churches were wrong. As LDS members, we even admit that the other churches aren't all wrong but have elements of the truth e.g. Baptists got baptism by emersion right but missed other things. This seems a bit extreme to simply label all churches wrong and that all their leaders are corrupt. It's perhaps one thing to say that the other churches are mistaken on some things but to label them an abomination doesn't sound very Christlike or Godlike.

This simply doesn't sound like something a wise, kind, Father in Heaven would say, does it? Yet, it is exactly what Joseph alleged God said.

LDS truthseeker wrote:In the LDS scripture, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:5-19, we learn that after God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to young Joseph Smith, Joseph asked God what church he should join. Joseph relates God's response in verse 19:

I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”


We have to ask if this was really true. Would God in the early 1800s or even today, say that ALL their creeds were corrupt and were an abomination in his sight? Would he really say that the professors were ALL corrupt?

Undoubtedly some of the religious leaders were corrupt and some beliefs of some religions must be in error. But would a kind, loving Father in Heaven actually say that ALL creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight?

For the most part, religions try to serve God and do good things such as inspiring people to give to others, run soup kitchens, preach the golden rule, etc. Does it not sound somewhat harsh to label every religion at that time an abomination and every religious leader corrupt? At that time, Sidney Rigdon was a protestant minister. Was he corrupt as well as every other religious leader at the time or even today?

According to Joseph, God said that all the other churches were wrong. As LDS members, we even admit that the other churches aren't all wrong but have elements of the truth e.g. Baptists got baptism by emersion right but missed other things. This seems a bit extreme to simply label all churches wrong and that all their leaders are corrupt. It's perhaps one thing to say that the other churches are mistaken on some things but to label them an abomination doesn't sound very Christlike or Godlike.

This simply doesn't sound like something a wise, kind, Father in Heaven would say, does it? Yet, it is exactly what Joseph alleged God said.

It is because you assume religion is a light thing like decorating your home that you think God should not be passionate for his own name's glory. Jesus Christ taught the Nephites his gospel that requires of them to become as little children in meekness and submissiveness before him and that they would be visited with the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost.

Then he said ANYTHING more or less than this........(which still today encompasses all religions and even the LDS)........comes of evil and that would make it an abomination. Still!

Find me one religion on the planet that teaches the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost without hypocrisy and not just saying it but not doing it according to that which is written. Just one.

When religion is a frivolous thing to begin with how can one be better than another. That is where you are. That is not where God is.

Modern Mormons are quick to throw Jesus under the bus on that one.

If memory serves me right, God told Joseph that all the other Church's were an abomination and he should join NONE of them, then Joseph promptly went and joined the abominable Methodist Church...

jon wrote:If memory serves me right, God told Joseph that all the other Church's were an abomination and he should join NONE of them, then Joseph promptly went and joined the abominable Methodist Church...

He was a man in that minute.

And he was a prophet (sorry, He was a Prophet) before and after...

We have to ask if this was really true. Would God in the early 1800s or even today, say that ALL their creeds were corrupt and were an abomination in his sight? Would he really say that the professors were ALL corrupt?

Undoubtedly some of the religious leaders were corrupt and some beliefs of some religions must be in error. But would a kind, loving Father in Heaven actually say that ALL creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight?

Yes. Yes He would. Would a kind loving HF give the all clear for religions and philosophies that do not lead to eternal life? No. No He wouldn't. That is why every church that is not the LDS Church is part of the church of the Devil.

bcspace wrote:
Yes. Yes He would. Would a kind loving HF give the all clear for religions and philosophies that do not lead to eternal life? No. No He wouldn't. That is why every church that is not the LDS Church is part of the church of the Devil.

Why would a kind loving God put in place a religion that the vast majority of his children never even are exposed to during their earthly life? If it is the only true religion why would such a God allow it to be absent from the world for such long period of times? Why would such a God choose an isolated and backward area like 18th century Utah to reestablish his one and only true Church? Why does such a God seem to really like white males from the Western Hemisphere?

bcspace wrote:

That is why every church that is not the LDS Church is part of the church of the Devil.

I can't believe you just said that.

LDS truthseeker wrote:
I can't believe you just said that.

I can.


Peace,
Ceeboo

bcspace wrote:That is why every church that is not the LDS Church is part of the church of the Devil.

I only wish LDS missionaries would be that direct when attempting to gain converts, instead of the "all churches have some truths but we have all the truth" pablum they try to pass off so that they don't seem so extreme.