Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal life

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Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal life

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25 ¶And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.


It dawned on me yesterday when we were discussing this during Sunday School, that as well as kindness to others, Christ was making the point that religious affiliation to any particular sect is of little consequence in terms of eternal life.
This was Christ relating a parable (a story not a real event) to answer the question about gaining Eternal life and He explicitly uses people from differing religious sects.
In short, He is telling us that it matters not what religion we follow. We will not be measured on that. We will be measured on our acts of kindness towards fellow human beings.

I pondered this last night and reached the conclusion, on the basis of this parable, that Christ would not approve of the Church's missionary programme as it is currently operated. 55,000 Church missionaries world wide are concentrating on the point that your religious persuasion is vital for Eternal life and in fact, you need to join the Mormon religion to be exalted.
By comparison the Church has only 8,000 or so missionaries out in the world being good Samaritans.

If the Church followed the guidance Christ gives in the above parable, surely they'd be 63,000 missionaries engaged in acts of humanitarian compassion and none proselytysing?
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From Isaac Asimov's "Lost in Non-Translation" (1972)
(I'm sorry for the character errors, the downloaded text comes from scanned pages)
We get something similar in the New Testament. On
one occasion a student of the law asks Jesus what
^must be done to gain eternal life, and he answer? his
, own question by saying, "Love the Lord your God
^with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your
r strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor
r&s yourself (Luke 10:27).

These admonitions are taken from the Old Testa-
ment, of course. That last bit about your neighbor
comes from a verse that says, "You shall not seek re-
-venge. or cherish anger towards your kinsfolk; you
shall love your neighbor as a man like yourself' (Leviti-
cus 19; 18).

(The New English Bible translation sounds better
to me here than the King James's: "Thou shalt love
thy neighbor as thyself." Where is the saint who can
truly feel another's pain or ecstasy precisely as he feels
own? We must not ask too much. But if we simply
grant that someone else is "a man like yourself," then
he can be treated with decency at least It is when we
refuse to grant even this, and talk of another as our
inferior, that contempt and cruelty come to seem nat-
ural, and even laudable.)

Jesus approves the lawyer's saying, and the lawyer
promptly asks, "And who is my neighbor?" (Luke 10:-
29). After all, the verse in Leviticus first speaks of
refraining from revenge and anger toward kinsfolk;
might not, then, the concept of "neighbor" be re-
stricted to kinsfolk, to one's own kind, only?

In response, Jesus replies with perhaps the greatest
of the parables¿of a travel&r who fell in with robbers,
who was mugged and robbed and left half dead by
the road. Jesus goes on, "It so happened that a priest
was going down by the same road; but when he saw
him, he went past on the other side. So too a Levite
came to the place, and when he saw him went past on
the other side. But a Samaritan who was making the
Journey came upon him, and, White House^n he saw him, was
moved to pity. He went up and bandaged his wounds,
bathing them with oil and wifie. Then he lifted him
onto his own beast, brought Mm to an inn, and looked
after him there" (Luke 10:31-34).

Then Jesus asks who the traveler's neighbor was,
and the lawyer is forced to say, "The one who showed
him kindness" (Luke 10:37).

This is known as the Parable of the Good Samari-
tan, even though nowhere in the parable is the rescuer
called a good Samaritan, merely a Samaritan.

The force of the parable is entirely vitiated by the
common phrase "good" Samaritan, for that has cast a.
false light on who the Samaritans were. In a free-
association test, say "Samaritan" and probably every
person being tested will answer, "Good." It has be-
come so imprinted in all our brains that Samaritans
are good that we take it for granted that a Samaritan
would act like that and wonder why Jesus is making a
point of it.

We forget who the Samaritans were, in the time of
Jesus!

To the Jews, they were not good. They were hated,
despised, contemptible heretics with whom no good
Jew would have anything to do. Again, the whole
point is lost through non-translation.

Suppose, instead, that it is a white traveler in Mis-
sissippi who has been mugged and left half dead. And
suppose it was a minister and a deacon who passed by
and refused to "become involved." And suppose it was
a black sharecropper who stopped and took care of
the man.

Now ask yourself: Who was the neighbor whom you
must love as though he were a man like yourself if
you are to be saved?

The Parable of the Good Samaritan clearly teaches
that there is nothing parochial in the concept "neigh-
bor," that you cannot confine your decency to your
own group and your own kind. All mankind, right
down to those you most despise, are your neighbors.

Well, then, we have in the Bible two examples¿in the
Book of Ruth and in tlie Parable of the Good Samari-
tan¿of teachings that are lost in non-translation, yet
are terribly applicable to us today.

The whole world over, there are confrontations be-
tween sections of mankind denned by a difference of
race, nationality, economic philosophy, religion, or
language, so that one is not "neighbor" to the other.

These more or less arbitrary differences among
peoples who are members of a-single biological spec-
ies are terribly dangerous, and nowhere more so than
here in the United States, where the most perilous
confrontation (I need not tell you) is between white
and black.

Next to the population problem generally, mankind
faces no danger greater than this confrontation, par-
ticularly in the United States.

It seems to me that more and more, each year, both
whites and blacks are turning, in anger and hatred, to
violence. I see po reasonable end to the steady escala-
tion but an actual civil war.

In such a civil war, the whites, with a preponder-
ance of numbers and an even greater preponderance
of organized power, would in all likelihood "win."
They would do so, however, at an enormous material
cost and, I suspect, at a fatal spiritual one.

And why? Is it so hard to recognize that we are all
neighbors, after all? Can we, on both sides¿on both
sides¿6nd no way of accepting the biblical lesson?

Or if quoting the Bible sounds too mealy-mouthed,
and if repeating the words of Jesus seems too pietistic,
let's put it another way, a practical way:

Is the privilege of feeling hatred so luxurious that it
is worth the material and spiritual hell of a white'
black civil war?

If the answer is really yes, then one can only de-
spair.
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Drifting wrote:...And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying......

tee hee hee

Drifting wrote:It dawned on me yesterday....
We will be measured on our acts of kindness towards fellow human beings.

and our "love" for God, right? see my below question

I pondered this last night and reached the conclusion, on the basis of this parable....
If the Church followed the guidance Christ gives in the above parable, surely they'd be 63,000 missionaries engaged in acts of humanitarian compassion and none proselytysing?


i am not sure i follow your reasoning with the missionary program, and I definitely don't see any support for this thread's title.
Love thy neighbor is the easy part to understand.....

But i do ask one question in response:
what does it mean to, or rather, how does one
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind?
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subgenius,

You may, if you expect answers to your questions, revisit the threads on which answers from you are still required...


Drifting wrote:
subgenius,

Do you believe that Eve was a real person and that she was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?
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Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal life


Completely false. Notice verse 28 where Jesus confirms the lawyer's description of doctrine. So how can one love God and not belong to His Church? Not possible. Jesus himself confirmed that the LDS Church is his true and God authorized Church in D&C 1 which requires just as much faith to believe as the Bible.
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Putting on my apologetic hat, I would ask the question, what does the Lord mean as far as "eternal life" is concerned?

If we go on the assumption that the three degrees of glory exist (Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial), then wouldn't entrance into any of these constitute "eternal life"?

From what Joseph Smith stated, if one actually saw the Telestial Kingdom, he/she would be tempted to commit suicide to go there.

So "eternal life" may not mean the same as exhaltation, or the hightest degree of glory in the Celestial Kingdom.
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Drifting wrote:subgenius,

You may, if you expect answers to your questions, revisit the threads on which answers from you are still required...


as if you are consistently doing the same.....how contemptuous

should i list the many questions i have asked you on other threads that still remain "open"?

by the way...answered
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bcspace wrote:Completely false. Notice verse 28 where Jesus confirms the lawyer's description of doctrine. So how can one love God and not belong to His Church? Not possible. Jesus himself confirmed that the LDS Church is his true and God authorized Church in D&C 1 which requires just as much faith to believe as the Bible.


What we do know from these passages is that Jesus told the lawyer he was right in saying we need to love God and our fellow human beings as the answer of how to be Heaven bound.

The lawyer then asked who were his fellow human beings and Jesus replied with the Parable of the Good Samaritan that was meant to show the lawyer that his fellow human being extended to the gentiles and if the gentiles loved God and their fellow human beings like the Samaritan, then they too would be Heaven bound.
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bcspace wrote:
Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal life


Completely false. Notice verse 28 where Jesus confirms the lawyer's description of doctrine. So how can one love God and not belong to His Church? Not possible. Jesus himself confirmed that the LDS Church is his true and God authorized Church in D&C 1 which requires just as much faith to believe as the Bible.



27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


bcspace, you seem to be suggesting that only Mormons can 'love the Lord thy God with all they heart. and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind...' Really?
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moksha wrote:
bcspace wrote:Completely false. Notice verse 28 where Jesus confirms the lawyer's description of doctrine. So how can one love God and not belong to His Church? Not possible. Jesus himself confirmed that the LDS Church is his true and God authorized Church in D&C 1 which requires just as much faith to believe as the Bible.


What we do know from these passages is that Jesus told the lawyer he was right in saying we need to love God and our fellow human beings as the answer of how to be Heaven bound.

The lawyer then asked who were his fellow human beings and Jesus replied with the Parable of the Good Samaritan that was meant to show the lawyer that his fellow human being extended to the gentiles and if the gentiles loved God and their fellow human beings like the Samaritan, then they too would be Heaven bound.


From the reading of the verses this is exactly what happened.
Although not helpful to the Mormon 'one true Church' and 'all other Churches are abominable' claims.
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