BYU Hosts Papyrology Summer Institute

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I got all excited when I read this and thought what a marvellous thing for the Maxwell Institute to invite all these esteemed papyrologists to come and discuss the Book of Abraham and the facsimilies....

This past summer Brigham Young University, in collaboration with the American Society of Papyrologists (ASP), hosted the Seventh International Papyrology Summer Institute (June 20—July 29, 2011). The ASP began hosting these institutes in 2003 and plans to continue through 2015. The objective of the seminar is to teach participants how to read and use papyri and to provide them with the kind of practical experience that would enable them to make productive use of papyrus texts in their own research. Fields of study include Classics, ancient history, Egyptology, archaeology, ancient religions, and biblical studies.



Sadly I was disappointed.

During this six-week seminar, nine doctoral students and one junior faculty member from universities in the United States, Canada, Egypt, Austria, Belgium, and Germany gathered at BYU to hone their skills in deciphering Greek papyri. The on-site coordinators of the seminar from BYU were Roger Macfarlane, Lincoln Blumell, Thomas Wayment, and Stephen Bay. John Gee, the William "Bill" Gay Research Professor of Egyptology at the Maxwell Institute, taught classes during the seminar. Additionally, a number of world-renowned papyrologists attended and helped run the seminar. These included Peter van Minnen (University of Cincinnati), Roger Bagnall (New York University), Josh Sosin (Duke University), Nikos Litinas (University of Crete), Todd Hickey (University of California, Berkeley), Maryline Parca (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign), Klaas Worp (University of Amsterdam), Rodney Ast (Heidelberg University), and Arthur Verhoogt (University of Michigan).

This most recent seminar's theme was Roman Egypt. Since BYU's papyrological holdings are rather small, UC Berkeley generously loaned BYU a number of papyri from its Tebtunis collection. All the documents from the Berkeley collection were written in Greek and dated between the first and third centuries AD. As a result of the work done on these texts during the seminar, participants in the seminar will publish these papyri in full editions with translations over the course of the next few years. Among the various texts edited were a couple of ancient letters, including one from a soldier serving in Pannonia and sent back to his family in Egypt, two land registers, a few contracts, some first-century court proceedings, and some land leases.



Why oh why didn't DCP et al take such a fabulous opportunity to shut the Book of Abraham critics up once and for all. They could have opened the vault, let these experts review the original papyrus and facsimilies and had them confirm that Joseph got it right.

Now why didn't they do that.......
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Drifting wrote:Why oh why didn't DCP et al take such a fabulous opportunity to shut the Book of Abraham critics up once and for all. They could have opened the vault, let these experts review the original papyrus and facsimilies and had them confirm that Joseph got it right.

Now why didn't they do that.......


Probably because it's been done before and we all know how this ends. Although I am eagerly awaiting the publication of Dr. Ritner's new article.
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BYU Hosts Papyrology Summer Institute

Isn't that sort of like the Catholic Church hosting a summer institute on the sexual abuse of minors?
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Corpsegrinder wrote:
BYU Hosts Papyrology Summer Institute

Isn't that sort of like the Catholic Church hosting a summer institute on the sexual abuse of minors?

Not at all.

The Catholic Church has demonstrated capability in the sexual abuse of minors.

LDS apologists, on the other hand, have yet to demonstrate any capability whatsoever in the proper translation of certain Egyptian papyri.
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Samantabhadra wrote:Although I am eagerly awaiting the publication of Dr. Ritner's new article.



Tell me more.
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LDS truthseeker wrote:Tell me more.


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21201

Ritner's new volume was supposed to come out in January but the schedule has been pushed back a month. information here:

http://signaturebooks.com/2011/11/the-j ... e-edition/
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I think that, despite our sometimes contrary observations, issues with the Book of Abraham papyri are simply uninteresting to most of the world (and even to most LDS for that matter). Why else would we see Ritner's article being published by Signature?

In contrast, BYU's CPART team, and their use of multi-spectral imaging technology to read and transcribe previously unreadable papyri has generated far more interest in the non-LDS scholarly world than Book of Abraham issues have. And I assume (from reading the material about the institute program) that the group is planning on working with some of these unpublished papyri (from the Herculaneum scrolls) as part of their hands on experience.

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Benjamin McGuire wrote:I think that, despite our sometimes contrary observations, issues with the Book of Abraham papyri are simply uninteresting to most of the world (and even to most LDS for that matter). Why else would we see Ritner's article being published by Signature?


Ben M.


I would suggest the former is the result of the issues not being taken seriously while the later, for the most part, simply are not aware of the issues at all. Those few lay members that are aware of the issues rely on the pseudo scholarship produced by the Church to shore up their testimony and avoid any non LDS scholarship, what there is, on the subject. Ritner's book will just be one more straw on the already broken back of the camel that is the Book of Abraham and it will inevitability be labeled as an Anti-Mormon attack.
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I think Tom Monson should take those Tebtunis papyri and use them as a catalyst to get a revelation about Zelph.
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Were the participants in the Papyrology Summer Institute required to bring their own stone or were suitable stones provided?
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