OLYMPIA, Wash. – Washington's Legislature has enough votes to legalize gay marriage with a statement from Democratic Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen Monday who said she will support the measure, becoming the 25th vote needed to pass the bill out of the Senate. The House already has enough support, and Gov. Chris Gregoire has endorsed the plan.
Washington would become the seventh state to legalize same-sex marriages, following New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont.
I wonder at what point same sex marriages will be revealed to be okay?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
OLYMPIA, Wash. – Washington's Legislature has enough votes to legalize gay marriage with a statement from Democratic Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen Monday who said she will support the measure, becoming the 25th vote needed to pass the bill out of the Senate. The House already has enough support, and Gov. Chris Gregoire has endorsed the plan.
Washington would become the seventh state to legalize same-sex marriages, following New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont.
I wonder at what point same sex marriages will be revealed to be okay?
I assume in the above you meant ok in the LDS church. Words of God will stand forever, while words of men will change over time. Just like the priesthood ban and the changing of White and Delightsome to Pure and Delightsome, polygamy and bizarre temple rituals, Mormons are used to changes in doctrine, though most don't know they changed. When the time comes, the top 12 will huddle in a meeting to speak to God, where God will supposedly change his mind... again.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
thews wrote:I assume in the above you meant ok in the LDS church. Words of God will stand forever, while words of men will change over time. Just like the priesthood ban and the changing of White and Delightsome to Pure and Delightsome, polygamy and bizarre temple rituals, Mormons are used to changes in doctrine, though most don't know they changed. When the time comes, the top 12 will huddle in a meeting to speak to God, where God will supposedly change his mind... again.
I did indeed mean okay within the LDS grand scheme of things.
Interestingly and as an aside to the thread, the scriptures available online at LDS.org still say:
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.(2nd Nephi)
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
thews wrote:I assume in the above you meant ok in the LDS church. Words of God will stand forever, while words of men will change over time. Just like the priesthood ban and the changing of White and Delightsome to Pure and Delightsome, polygamy and bizarre temple rituals, Mormons are used to changes in doctrine, though most don't know they changed. When the time comes, the top 12 will huddle in a meeting to speak to God, where God will supposedly change his mind... again.
I did indeed mean okay within the LDS grand scheme of things.
Interestingly and as an aside to the thread, the scriptures available online at LDS.org still say:
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.(2nd Nephi)
Do you think that the change of skin colour had the desired effect?
I don't know about anyone else, but during the time that I was an active TR-holding member, I didn't find that skin colour had any effect on my perception of the attractiveness/"enticingness" of a person (women in particular).
In case that statement might be misinterpreted, as an inactive non-TR-holding member, I find that skin colour has no more or less effect on me than it did before.
But maybe that's just me (malkie, that is, not Just Me (;=) )
NOMinal member
Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
That is not quite representative of what we are looking for. Here is a photo collection of mostly pure-blood natives from the early 1900's. Beautiful women, mostly. One photo of two here. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... vns&itbs=1
Skin color has nothing to do with beauty, or internal character, for that matter.
I read the book which contains this collection yesterday, and it was fascinating.
Huckelberry said: I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
malkie wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but during the time that I was an active TR-holding member, I didn't find that skin colour had any effect on my perception of the attractiveness/"enticingness" of a person (women in particular).
In case that statement might be misinterpreted, as an inactive non-TR-holding member, I find that skin colour has no more or less effect on me than it did before.
But maybe that's just me (malkie, that is, not Just Me (;=) )
Not sure I'm following your logic. The perception of you personally isn't what's being discussed, but the privilege to become a Mormon by those who have been "cursed" per Mormon doctrine. As a kid I was taught that the great war in heaven resulted in souls being separated into three groups. 1) Those who followed Jesus and were white. 2) those who couldn't decide and were cursed by being black. 3) Those who chose Satan and become demons. I remember my mother relaying a story of a young black girl who asked her why she couldn't be Mormon. She then said, "I never have figured that one out." Then the change came in 1978 and presto-changeo her dilemma was solved.
If openly Gay people cannot become Mormons today and the rules change by a new "revelation" that God supposedly changed his mind again, Mormons 30 years later would probably be debating how there never was a ban... much like the apologists do with the pre-1978 version of white and delightsome LDS doctrine.
Active LDS people with gay kids probably have the best perspective on this.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
