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Religion will lose the fight in the UK the same way it is losing in the US.

Drifting wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9121354/Catholic-leader-Cardinal-Keith-OBrien-clashes-with-David-Cameron-on-same-sex-marriage-plans.html

Religion will lose the fight in the UK the same way it is losing in the US.

link appears to be dead?

besides, civil unions already legal in UK. politics feels the need to flex its muscle lately....that always works out great!

subgenius wrote:

Drifting wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9121354/Catholic-leader-Cardinal-Keith-OBrien-clashes-with-David-Cameron-on-same-sex-marriage-plans.html

Religion will lose the fight in the UK the same way it is losing in the US.

link appears to be dead?

besides, civil unions already legal in UK. politics feels the need to flex its muscle lately....that always works out great!

The current UK government is pursuing plans for same sex civil unions to be classed in every way as marriages. The Catholic leader has come out with an Armageddon style response about how the world is going to end if gays get to be married.
(Link worked fine for me, have you paid your ISP bill lately?)

Drifting wrote:...(Link worked fine for me, have you paid your ISP bill lately?)

there is an ISP bill?
works for me now...must have been due to your intervention on my behalf.

it is clear that this proposal is not about rights, but rather is an attempt to redefine marriage for the whole of society at the behest of a small minority of activists.
Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father

could easily apply that argument in our country.

this overt attempt to continue the secularization of the UK is interesting.....it highlights the fragmentation of communal activity and a diminished collective conscious. This results in the increase of egoism which is usually overridden by a collective conscious. This source of camaraderie and solidarity being replaced by the cult of the individual.
which as i said before...the main impetus of LGBT is selfishness.
While i applaud a society with increased private decision making as a by-product of secularism, i can not help but be concerned that the lack of commitment for a global view of man and nature, the absence of a common goal, and the void of any ideal behavior. The moral vacuum is historically proven to be of great detriment and demise among the greatest of societies.
But alas, even now (especially in rebuttal) we will continue to see the formation of dogma and systems of indoctrination associated with secularism.....slowly bringing it into the fold of religiosity. You will see the secular devise their own "creation story", their own narrative for the "end of times", a hard line adherence to who the "enemy" truly is, and the unmistakable creation of a "higher authority".
those poor lemmings.....

Wow, their excuses for bigotry are just as bad as ours.

subgenius wrote:

Drifting wrote:...(Link worked fine for me, have you paid your ISP bill lately?)

there is an ISP bill?
works for me now...must have been due to your intervention on my behalf.

I have friends in low places.

Interestingly, the current UK government is a coalition between Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. I think this piece of the agenda is driven, in part, as an appeasement to keep the Liberals onside in other areas.

The Government is absolutely committed to it though and so it will, ultimately, come to a head. It did when civil unions were introduced. The Government is selling the position that it is a Civil Marriage that they are advocating and Religions will still have autonomy on Religious Marriage.

On a personal basis, I am a bit of a liberal by nature, so I can't say that I'm against what the Government is seeking to do.

“Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father.”

What?!? I assume that it is still legal in the United Kingdom to be a single parent, and I further assume that same-sex couples are able to adopt children in the United Kingdom as well. I fail to see how allowing these marriages to take place would "create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother of a father."

On the other hand, he does have a gold hat, so obviously his words carry more weight than a normal person's would.

aranyborju wrote:“Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father.”

What?!? I assume that it is still legal in the United Kingdom to be a single parent, and I further assume that same-sex couples are able to adopt children in the United Kingdom as well. I fail to see how allowing these marriages to take place would "create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother of a father."

On the other hand, he does have a gold hat, so obviously his words carry more weight than a normal person's would.

key word = deliberately
currently, not being raised by both a mother and father is the exception not the rule.
Studies and scholars overwhelmingly illustrate that a child being raised by its biological mother and father is the best condition for that child (all other things being equal). Surprisingly 2 women comes in second, grandparents tend to not be that great, and 2 men is so dismal that most shy away claiming "no real data exists", but where it does it is not favorable for the mustache party.

subgenius wrote:

aranyborju wrote:“Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father.”

What?!? I assume that it is still legal in the United Kingdom to be a single parent, and I further assume that same-sex couples are able to adopt children in the United Kingdom as well. I fail to see how allowing these marriages to take place would "create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother of a father."

On the other hand, he does have a gold hat, so obviously his words carry more weight than a normal person's would.

key word = deliberately
currently, not being raised by both a mother and father is the exception not the rule.
Studies and scholars overwhelmingly illustrate that a child being raised by its biological mother and father is the best condition for that child (all other things being equal). Surprisingly 2 women comes in second, grandparents tend to not be that great, and 2 men is so dismal that most shy away claiming "no real data exists", but where it does it is not favorable for the mustache party.

And where are all of these overwhelming studies? Also, what are the criteria that the researchers analyzed to determine whether a condition was "good" or "bad?" College matriculation? High school Graduation? Future addiction to drugs? Church attendance? You have provided no information other than your claim. How can we know whether you just made all of that information up or not? You see the predicament you have left us all in?

subgenius wrote:

aranyborju wrote:“Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father.”

What?!? I assume that it is still legal in the United Kingdom to be a single parent, and I further assume that same-sex couples are able to adopt children in the United Kingdom as well. I fail to see how allowing these marriages to take place would "create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother of a father."

On the other hand, he does have a gold hat, so obviously his words carry more weight than a normal person's would.

key word = deliberately
currently, not being raised by both a mother and father is the exception not the rule.
Studies and scholars overwhelmingly illustrate that a child being raised by its biological mother and father is the best condition for that child (all other things being equal). Surprisingly 2 women comes in second, grandparents tend to not be that great, and 2 men is so dismal that most shy away claiming "no real data exists", but where it does it is not favorable for the mustache party.

Hmmm....interesting indeed.

So, the Church may be better served encouraging single mothers to hook up with the female young single adults who cannot, for the love of God, catch a male (as per Moson's conference talk). Now THAT's a revelation!