Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

The upper-crust forum for scholarly, polite, and respectful discussions only. Heavily moderated. Rated G.
Post Reply
_Drifting
_Emeritus
Posts: 7306
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:52 am

Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _Drifting »

In the very recent and high profile case of Bottgate the Church once again distanced itself from what a member had stated publicly concerning the doctrinal position of the Church.

That got me thinking (well that and a very white and delightsome Latte).

Every Sunday at Sacrament Meeting members are assigned to get up and do exactly what Bott got up and did. Namely, publicly give their own interpretation, speculation and opinion on an aspect or doctrine of Mormonism. There must be a plethora of non doctrinal views given all over the planet on any given Sunday.

So, prior to each Sacrament Meeting shouldn't the presiding Priesthood Holder read a short disclaimer to the congregation making it clear that what they are about to hear doesn't necessarily reflect the official position of the Church and therefore, should be treated as the personal speculation and opinion of the speaker?

Come to think of it, shouldn't a disclaimer be read out before General Conference because we know from history that some of it will be discounted as personal speculation and opinion at some point in the future...

*slurp*
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _moksha »

"Although inspired in part by true incidents, the following stories are fictional and do not depict any actual persons or events. No animals were sacrificed during these General Conference proceedings."
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_Drifting
_Emeritus
Posts: 7306
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:52 am

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _Drifting »

Perhaps a permanent sign on every pulpit saying...

WARNING
The views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). The views expressed by individual speakers are their sole responsibility and do not necessarily represent the doctrines or teachings of the Church; and as such may need to be considered personal opinion and speculation.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
_ludwigm
_Emeritus
Posts: 10158
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:07 am

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _ludwigm »

"For risks and side effects please read MDB!"
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
_bcspace
_Emeritus
Posts: 18534
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:48 pm

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _bcspace »

Come to think of it, shouldn't a disclaimer be read out before General Conference because we know from history that some of it will be discounted as personal speculation and opinion at some point in the future...


No need. If one questions what is taught, one merely has to find it in an official publication to verify it (or not) as official doctrine. If not doctrine, one will have to decide if one wants to incorporate into one's beliefs and not ascribe it to the Church. If opposed to doctrine, then one will have to decide how much of an apostate one wants to be.
Machina Sublime
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
_subgenius
_Emeritus
Posts: 13326
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:50 pm

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _subgenius »

Drifting wrote:In the very recent and high profile case of Bottgate the Church once again distanced itself from what a member had stated publicly concerning the doctrinal position of the Church.

That got me thinking (well that and a very white and delightsome Latte).

Every Sunday at Sacrament Meeting members are assigned to get up and do exactly what Bott got up and did. Namely, publicly give their own interpretation, speculation and opinion on an aspect or doctrine of Mormonism. There must be a plethora of non doctrinal views given all over the planet on any given Sunday.

So, prior to each Sacrament Meeting shouldn't the presiding Priesthood Holder read a short disclaimer to the congregation making it clear that what they are about to hear doesn't necessarily reflect the official position of the Church and therefore, should be treated as the personal speculation and opinion of the speaker?

Come to think of it, shouldn't a disclaimer be read out before General Conference because we know from history that some of it will be discounted as personal speculation and opinion at some point in the future...

*slurp*

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1993/12/rando ... r?lang=eng
http://www.LDS.org/service/teaching-the ... k?lang=eng
http://www.LDS.org/service/teaching-the ... e?lang=eng
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
_Alfredo
_Emeritus
Posts: 209
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:25 am

Re: Sacrament Talks - disclaimers needed?

Post by _Alfredo »

bcspace wrote:No need. If one questions what is taught, one merely has to find it in an official publication to verify it (or not) as official doctrine. If not doctrine, one will have to decide if one wants to incorporate into one's beliefs and not ascribe it to the Church. If opposed to doctrine, then one will have to decide how much of an apostate one wants to be.

subgenius wrote:http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1993/12/random-sampler?lang=eng
http://www.LDS.org/service/teaching-the-gospel/prepare-a-talk?lang=eng
http://www.LDS.org/service/teaching-the-gospel/principles-and-methods-of-teaching/teach-the-doctrine?lang=eng


Ha. What are you two trying to suggest?

There are rules for giving and evaluating talks concerning official doctrine?

If one questions, these rules are available?

But clearly, there is something very relevant about the idea of a disclaimer.

Funny. I thought there would be no discussion of disclaimers if members always followed rules and asked all relevant questions.
Post Reply