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Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthodoxy

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:08 am
by _Droopy
As a, what should be a clear and concise window into the intellectual world of "reform" Mormon Joanna Brooks, the following essay should, I think, open the reader to the general worldview, perspective, and theoretical cast of her thought. First, the essay.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... h_history/

Time for Mormons to Come to Terms with Church History

Post by Joanna Brooks


Within the last day, the Washington Post, Reuters, and religion reporter Peggy Fletcher Stack of the Salt Lake Tribune have all addressed the growing incidence of disaffiliation among LDS Church members for whom the digital age has brought new access to conflicting perspectives on Mormon history and doctrine—scrutiny that is certain to intensify if Romney gets the GOP nomination.

It’s not uncommon for LDS people to grow up in contexts where most information about Mormonism comes from official LDS Church sources and reflects the perspectives of LDS Church leaders. Alternative perspectives have been stigmatized and dissenters and a few scholars have been excommunicated, especially in the 1990s.

But the internet has profoundly impacted the Church’s ability to manage messaging and information and breached the boundaries of the still socially insular community.

Studies show that rates of disaffiliation have risen significantly among Mormons in the first decade of the twenty-first century. According to a survey of more than 3,000 disaffiliated Mormons conducted by the Open Stories Foundation, thorny historical issues top the list of reasons why Mormons leave. These issues include the disputed origins of The Pearl of Great Price, a Book of Mormon scripture, the historic practice of polygamy by Joseph Smith and other early Mormon leaders, and the Church’s 130-year ban on full participation by people of African descent.

Controversial issues like these are not addressed in official church materials, and in many congregations, Sunday meetings reflect a highly orthodox, literal approach to Church doctrine and scripture. Even mentions of Smith’s polygamy have been scrubbed from Church lesson manuals, returning only in a newly released book on Mormon women’s history.

The culture of shame and silence that surrounds these subjects within Mormon culture means that many Mormons learn about them for the first time from strangers on the internet, in venues ranging from anti-Mormon websites to scholarship by respected Mormon historians. Even I have received email from parents who relate that their kids have stopped identifying as Mormon after encountering information about Joseph Smith’s polygamy for the first time on the internet. For many, the sense of betrayal by a trusted institution that appears to be withholding information about its history is more damaging than the information itself.

Compounding the shame and sense of betrayal some Mormons feel when they first discover controversial information about the tradition’s past is negative reaction from family, friends, and faith community. As Carrie Sheffield expressed in her Washington Post opinion piece, Mormons who question Mormon doctrine or scripture can experience harsh rejection and blame from families and faith leaders.

This dynamic may intensify this campaign season, as every day brings breathlessly sensational accounts of the most controversial aspects of the Mormon tradition, often presented by people with only a marginal or passing knowledge of the faith. Mormon scholars and writers could talk around the clock from now until November and still we could not keep up with the amount of media attention—some of it accurate, some of it distorting, some of it openly antagonistic—Mormonism now receives.

Many have yearned to engage candidly and forthrightly with all of its aspects and dimensions. That time is now. The scrutiny brought on by this election season demands an open approach to Mormon history and controversy and it can’t arrive a moment too soon.


Now, lets subject this essay to philosophical scrutiny from an LDS perspective. I will do it from a "TBM" position in which the assumption is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is true. I will also approach such critique from the perspective of my own personal testimony (given of the Holy Spirit) that the Church and gospel are true.

Based upon what I have read of Professor Brooks writings thus far, this article, and her testimony as presented at Mormon Scholars Testify, I am also moving into such critique under the distinct impression, based upon the above consideration, that Joanna Brooks is in some sense uncertain, unclear, or ambiguous in her own conception of the concept of "testimony," as understood within the Church, and is operating fundamentally on an intellectual, psychological, and emotional level regarding her clearly deep connection to LDS culture.

I go in uncertain, at the very least, regarding her own sense of "conversion" to the gospel, as understood in a normative doctrinal sense, and the degree to which she understands the teachings and doctrines of the Church to be culturally determined as over against revealed knowledge from God, and hence, outside the possibility of philosophical and ideological synthesis with social, ideological, and philosophical trends within the very society the gospel of Jesus Christ exists to critique and evaluate relative to its own verities.

First the essay. and in the next post, the critique will get underway.

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:09 am
by _Darth J
The LDS position is that evaluating the sincerity of another person's testimony is equivalent to evaluating his or her personal worthiness (e.g., temple recommend interviews). Since you are not Joanna Brooks' designated priesthood leader, your presumption to judge her personal worthiness from a perspective of "the Church is true" is a non-starter.

Attempting to judge her spirituality through what I will very generously call "intellectual methods" is not only hypocritical given the mindset you impute to Brooks, it is also a non-starter from a perspective of "the Church is true."

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:21 am
by _Droopy
Darth J wrote:The LDS position is that evaluating the sincerity of another person's testimony is equivalent to evaluating his or her personal worthiness (e.g., temple recommend interviews).


"Put your right foot in...put your right foot out...

Since you are not Joanna Brooks' designated priesthood leader, your presumption to judge her personal worthiness from a perspective of "the Church is true" is a non-starter.


"Do the hokey-pokey..."

Attempting to judge her spirituality through what I will very generously call "intellectual methods" is not only hypocritical given the mindset you impute to Brooks, it is also a non-starter from a perspective of "the Church is true."


"That's what its all about..."

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:08 pm
by _malkie
Would it be fair to assume (or at least to ask) if this is intended to be the first in a series?

That is, are you planning to perform "philosophical scrutiny from an LDS perspective" on each contributor to Mormon Scholars Testify?

Who knows (at least, in advance of your scrutiny) which of the testimonies there might fall into the category of 'in some sense uncertain, unclear, or ambiguous in [the testifier's] conception of the concept of "testimony," as understood within the Church', and who might be 'operating fundamentally on an intellectual, psychological, and emotional level regarding [the testifier's] clearly deep connection to LDS culture'.

I expect that such a series would make fascinating reading.

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:57 pm
by _Jason Bourne
Her essay above it spot on and describes what is happening with many members who are becoming disaffected. All she is really saying is the that the Church has in past times presented itself in a way that did not disclose the more disconcerting side of its history. It really still does not. Even TBMs Bushman and Givens admit this. Givens as well as Elder Marlin Jensen point out that members are apostatizing at a rate that has not happened since the Kirtland days. So I am interested in seeing you pick apart what she said above because it seems she is spot on.

As I noted in another thread Droopy. The Church is at a cross roads. Things it wished were not as easily available certainly are. Many members rightfully so are upset when they find the picture and product the Church presented lacks many details. People who make major life altering decisions when committing to the Church get angry when they find full disclosure was not made to them. The Church will continue to bleed members and see lower convert rates because of this.

Also as noted in that other thread, the Church can retrench against the likes of Brooks, just like you are. If it does it will hold a core membership but it certainly will not flourish. It will maintain hard line members like yourself as well as members that really do not care to explore and plumb the depths of their faith's history, doctrine and philosophy. There are many like that. My convert wife is one. She is quite happy with the results of what practicing Latter-day Saints are and has not interest in the details of the history nor exploring the doctrine in a deep way. Orthopraxy matters to her most. So the Church will become hard liners and those who are just happy being LDS with little deep knowledge and it will stagnate some.

If it accepts and embraces the likes of Brooks or John Dehlin over time the Church will not appear as it does today. It may become more like mainstream Protestant Church and lose much of its uniqueness. It may grow or it may not. But 50 years from now we will not recognize much of it. Course I still maintain the Church has shifted and lost much of what was unique over the last 30 years.

Can the Church present what Dan Peterson calls a C type history? What would that do to the Church? Not sure.

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:44 am
by _lulu
Droopy,

Why don't you start by telling us which definition of "neo-orthodoxy" you are using:

1. the Barth-Niebhur brothers understanding?
2. the White/Millet-Robinson's definition?
3. or something you just made up?

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:51 pm
by _Droopy
malkie wrote:Would it be fair to assume (or at least to ask) if this is intended to be the first in a series?

That is, are you planning to perform "philosophical scrutiny from an LDS perspective" on each contributor to Mormon Scholars Testify?


No, only on the "New Order" or "Reform" Mormon lefties. Why would I feel the need to take a similar analytical look at Daniel Peterson?

Who knows (at least, in advance of your scrutiny) which of the testimonies there might fall into the category of 'in some sense uncertain, unclear, or ambiguous in [the testifier's] conception of the concept of "testimony," as understood within the Church', and who might be 'operating fundamentally on an intellectual, psychological, and emotional level regarding [the testifier's] clearly deep connection to LDS culture'.


I think Sister Brooks has made her deep reservations and ambiguous commitment to a number of LDS doctrines and standards clear enough.

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:23 pm
by _Droopy
lulu wrote:Droopy,

Why don't you start by telling us which definition of "neo-orthodoxy" you are using:

1. the Barth-Niebhur brothers understanding?
2. the White/Millet-Robinson's definition?
3. or something you just made up?


My own definition would be, in a nutshell, a varied yet consistent syncretic blending of contemporary secular concepts, ideas, attitudes, and cultural fashions with the Church with the intention of a gradual displacement of key traditional gospel concepts/standards by contemporary (primarily post-sixties) cultural, social, ideological and political doctrines regarding the same questions of the human condition the gospel grapples with within its own doctrinal and philosophical framework.

Its a syncretic intermingling and integration of the surrounding secular culture with the Church (under the rubric of "tolerance," and "inclusiveness" etc.) while attempting to retain certain aspects of LDS culture and broad values (hence the term cultural Mormon) within the generally secularized superstructure (for example, retaining the LDS idea of the importance of the family, while redefining the concept of "family" to fit contemporary secular liberal ideological doctrines of moral/social neutrality in matters of human sexuality and gender role).

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:38 pm
by _Droopy
Louis Midgley provides an excellent overview of the "neo-orthodox" view here. (italics mine)

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/publica ... m=2&id=164

Modernity and "The Challenge to Religion"
The following passages provide an outline of his argument in his own words. His underlying assumption is that religion—faith in God—is challenged by modernity. This is hardly a new idea. He also assumes that believers ought to reach an accommodation with modernity by adopting its assumptions and reflecting its values. Given these assumptions, the following passages express his understanding of what has been taking place within the Mormon academic community since World War II:

Emerging from the optimism of the nineteenth century, Mormonism . . . was likewise forced to negotiate the traumas of modernity, effecting a unique synthesis of American religious and secular culture. (p. xiv)

As a pluralistic metaphysics became the philosophical foundation of Mormon doctrine, the concepts of human nature and salvation contained in the Book of Mormon disappeared from traditional Mormon theology. (p. 140)

Suggestions of a Mormon neo-orthodoxy do not imply a return to the early theology of Joseph Smith, though I believe a case can be made for some tenets of neo-orthodoxy [being present] in both the Book of Mormon and Smith's earliest theology, but rather a parallel with developments within Protestantism.

Like these Protestant movements, Mormon neo-orthodoxy is a response to the experience of "modernity"—the secularization of society and culture. (p. xi)

In response to secularization, Mormon neo-orthodox theologians have embraced some fundamental doctrines of Protestant neo-orthodoxy. . . . These doctrines typically reflected the sensations experienced during Neo-Orthodox crisis with liberalism and modernity. (pp. 159-60)

In both the Protestant and Mormon cases, liberal theologies celebrating the "progress" entailed in the advent of modernity were jettisoned for theologies emphasizing human limitations and proclaiming greater dependence on supernatural deity.


Now, I don't agree that the "Mormon academic community" has been, in any general sense, sliding into "Neo-Orthodoxy" since WWII. However, there is a small core of what could only be termed "liberal" LDS scholars and intellectuals who have moved down this path (some of the September Six prominent among them) and some of which appear to be a part of the present LDS "apologetics" movement.

As large and prominent a figure as Hugh Nibley could be argued to have been, in certain narrow ways, a part of this tendency (and a bit of a god complex outside of his own areas of intellectual competence) in the areas of economics and political science.

Re: Critique of Pure Joanna: Coming to Terms With neo-Orthod

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:44 pm
by _lulu
Droopy wrote:Louis Midgley provides an excellent overview of the "neo-orthodox" view here.


You claim #3 and then approvingly cite a quote that is all #1 & #2.

Why don't you exercise your creative genius and make up a new term. The one you are using is already taken. And by minds much better than yours, namely, the Niebhur's.

PS At least you responded which is more than I can say for bcspace.

Hey, bcspace:

1. Is the Time & Seasons an Official Church Publication, that being the standard?

2. Is Thomas S. Monson a paid minister?