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...The Catholic Church.

The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2007 ... hurch.html

Sorry Mormon's, looks like you backed the wrong horse...

According to the LDS' own standards about itself, there never could have been a great apostasy. Ergo, the Catholics win by default.

I was on a ship one time with a Catholic official, and I heard him running down the church until I could not keep quiet anymore. So, I explained the 2nd chapter of Daniel to him, and I told him that I heard on TV where the Catholics claimed that Christ set up His kingdom on earth when came (the time during the "iron legs"), and I told him that I agreed with them, and then I asked him to explain why Daniel prophesied that God's kingdom would be set up again in the last days (the days of the "feet of part iron and part clay"). Implying that the true church is a RESTORED church, a fact which is supported by a multitude of scriptures! He couldn't answer, but at least he was relatively quiet for the rest of the trip!

So...in actual fact...the complete apostasy of the Gospel of Christ claimed by Mormonism never actually happened. It just evolved through ongoing revelation to the Pope.

The only doctrinal differences between Catholicism and Mormonism are being removed and rebutted one by one.

Polygamy....gone (if you believe President Newsroom)
Priesthood ban...gone
Baptisms for the dead...partially gone
Temple oaths...gone
Members will be Gods and get their own planet...on the way out


What will go next one wonders...

gdemetz wrote:I was on a ship one time with a Catholic official, and I heard him running down the church until I could not keep quiet anymore. So, I explained the 2nd chapter of Daniel to him, and I told him that I heard on TV where the Catholics claimed that Christ set up His kingdom on earth when came (the time during the "iron legs"), and I told him that I agreed with them, and then I asked him to explain why Daniel prophesied that God's kingdom would be set up again in the last days (the days of the "feet of part iron and part clay"). Implying that the true church is a RESTORED church, a fact which is supported by a multitude of scriptures! He couldn't answer, but at least he was relatively quiet for the rest of the trip!

The answer is thinking that Daniel was referring to either you, Jesus or the Catholics is a huge anachronism.

The meaning of what I stated was apparently lost for you guys. Have you even read and studied the 2nd chapter of Daniel? The Catholic church has always claimed that they have had divine authority unbroken from the primitive church, and I have heard them claim many times that Peter was actually the first pope, or that the line of authority for the popes was received directly from Peter. Not only does a clear understanding of the second chapter of Daniel shoot holes all through that theory, but a host of other scriptures do also! If that were the case, then why would there be a necessity for a "restitution of all things" as spoken by all the holy prophets since the world began?! Also, why would John see the "woman," which represents the bride of Christ, or the church, being "driven into the wilderness" for "1260 days" (prophetic days representing years)? Paul also speaks of a great "falling away" prior to the second coming of Christ. There are a host of scriptures which speak of this! And, even that is an understatement! What revelations have they ever come up with, other than some like the earth is the center of the universe?!?

gdemetz,

Many people over the ages have investigated the Roman Catholic Church. Here is a link to one of the better ones. It was written by a priest that was ordained in 1839. He was shocked at what he found out about the history of the Church. But I will tell you that many records have now been scrubbed and that the "official" history does not match what actually happened.

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/Guettee_ThePapacy.pdf

If you go back into the 1800's for books you will find that many of them had access to things which no longer exist.

and more

Here is an example of scriptural interpretation from the Roman Catholic Church. To start with I will quote some material from the Catholic Encyclopedia Volume 12 pages 597 and another on page 599. This section deals with the book of Revelation known as Apocalypse to the Catholics.

…..From this cursory perusal of the book, it is evident that the seer was influenced by the prophecies of Daniel more than by any other book. Daniel was written with the object of comforting the Jews under the cruel persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes. The seer in the Apocalypse had a similar purpose. The Christians were fiercely persecuted in the reign of Domitian. The danger of apostasy was great. False prophets went about, trying to seduce the people to conform to the heathen practices and to take part in the Caesar-worship. The seer urges his Christians to remain true to their faith and to bear their troubles with fortitude. He encourages them with the promise of an ample and speedy reward. He assures them that Christ’s triumphant coming is at hand. Both in the beginning and at the end of the book the seer is most emphatic in telling his people that the hour of victory is nigh. He begins saying: “Blessed is he that…….keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand.” He closes his vision with the pathetic words: “He that giveth testimony of these things saith, surely I come quickly: Amen. Come Lord Jesus.” ………It would appear, and is so held by many, that the Christians of the Apostolic age expected that Christ would return during their own lifetime or generation. This seems to be the more obvious meaning of several passages both in Epistles and Gospels. The Christians of Asia Minor, and the seer with them, appear to have shared this fallacious expectation. Their mistaken hope, however, did not effect the soundness of their belief in the essential part of the dogma. Their views of a millennial period of corporal happiness were equally erroneous. The Church has wholly cast aside the doctrine of a millennium previous to the resurretion. St. Augustine has perhaps more than any one else helped to free the Church from all crude Fancies as regards its pleasures. He explained the millennium allegorically and applied it to the Church of Christ on earth. With the foundation of the Church the millennium began. The first resurrection is the spiritual resurrection of the soul from sin. Thus the number 1000 is to be taken indefinitely.

I want to point out a few things. First of all they say that John wrote about the coming of Christ as very near (in time) and in this they declare him “fallacious”. They also declare “The church has wholly cast aside the doctrine of a millennium previous to the resurrection.” So they have redefined the millennium as meaning something completely different than John was told in his vision. In this they completely ignore the warning at the end of the book.

Rev 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And on page 599 of the Catholic encyclopedia we find this:

…….To this objection, however, it may be answered that it was the custom of apocalyptic writers, e.g. of Daniel, Enoch, and the Sibylline books, to cast their visions into the form of prophecies of an earlier date. No literary fraud was thereby intended, it was merely a peculiar style of writing adopted as suiting their subject. The seer of the Apocalypse follows this practice.

Here they are saying that Daniel was written by someone else around 160 BC at the time of Antiochus Epiphanes and it was not prophecy but a history of events that had already taken place. Daniel lived around 600 BC and wrote his book around 550 BC. But the big problem comes from scripture. Jesus said that Daniel was a prophet and He verified that Daniel wrote the book of Daniel.

They don't even try to hide this stuff.

Very interesting post FrankTalk!

gdemetz wrote:Very interesting post FrankTalk!

The Catholic Church can't be the one true Church because it hides and alters things and events in its history. Really?

Drifting wrote:

gdemetz wrote:Very interesting post FrankTalk!

The Catholic Church can't be the one true Church because it hides and alters things and events in its history. Really?

The irony of a Mormon making that claim is so rich you have to eat it by the thimbleful or risk getting sick.