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Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws"
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:12 pm
by _jskains
Doesn't trying to convert Mormons to your flavor of Christianity using flaws in the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham present a problem?
Many events in the Bible have come under severe scrutiny over the years, especially with no evidence of a slave uprising in Egypt or a flee into a desert for 40 years, or even settling afterwards. Battles and wars in cities that may have not even existed at the time and all sorts of other flaws.
Isn't that creating new converts into your faith with a dangerous disposition to eventually flee when an Atheist, for example, attacks the Bible itself using the same tactics??
JMS
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:49 pm
by _subgenius
evangelicals have never had issue with being, or being perceived as, hypocritical.
I get a sense that most do not care what you believe, just so long as it ain't "Mormonism"!
Aside from that, the real conundrum is in why the atheists or the delusional lost souls (like Shulem) give a hoot one way or the other.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:58 pm
by _Tobin
I don't know why they bother. The same techniques you use to deconstruct Mormonism work equally well on Christianity in general. That is probably why most ex-Mormons are atheists.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:55 pm
by _Albion
Exactly where, subgenius, do you get this "sense" about evangelicals?
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:26 pm
by _Buffalo
jskains wrote:Doesn't trying to convert Mormons to your flavor of Christianity using flaws in the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham present a problem?
Many events in the Bible have come under severe scrutiny over the years, especially with no evidence of a slave uprising in Egypt or a flee into a desert for 40 years, or even settling afterwards. Battles and wars in cities that may have not even existed at the time and all sorts of other flaws.
Isn't that creating new converts into your faith with a dangerous disposition to eventually flee when an Atheist, for example, attacks the Bible itself using the same tactics??
JMS
Elder Marlin K. Jensen, Mormon Times, Nov 19, 2009:
Our history is especially critical, because in a sense, we rise or fall with our history. If those early beginning stories that Joseph Smith told us are true, then we are the only true church as we contend. If they're not true, then we don't have what we purport to have.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:32 pm
by _moksha
Tobin wrote: That is probably why most ex-Mormons are atheists.
They generalize that if one item is made up, thn all must be made up. Perhaps at some point they will come to realize the comfort which can be had in a faith tradition and wisdom that can be contained in sacred allegory.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:27 am
by _bcspace
Doesn't trying to convert Mormons to your flavor of Christianity using flaws in the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham present a problem?
It does if said Mormon is a rational thinker. Since Mormonism is the pinnacle of Christianity, Atheism is the only place to go if the LDS Church isn't true. I firmly believe that a former Mormon who is now some other flavor of Christianity isn't likely to have been a believing Mormon in the first place.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:32 am
by _Drifting
bcspace wrote:Doesn't trying to convert Mormons to your flavor of Christianity using flaws in the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham present a problem?
It does if said Mormon is a rational thinker. Since Mormonism is the pinnacle of Christianity, Atheism is the only place to go if the LDS Church isn't true. I firmly believe that a former Mormon who is now some other flavor of Christianity isn't likely to have been a believing Mormon in the first place.
Do you believe in the same Christ as the rest of Christianity, or do you agree with Hinckley?
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:39 pm
by _Buffalo
bcspace wrote:Doesn't trying to convert Mormons to your flavor of Christianity using flaws in the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon/Book of Abraham present a problem?
It does if said Mormon is a rational thinker. Since Mormonism is the pinnacle of Christianity, Atheism is the only place to go if the LDS Church isn't true. I firmly believe that a former Mormon who is now some other flavor of Christianity isn't likely to have been a believing Mormon in the first place.
Mormonism is a backwater Wasatch Front sect. No one cares about it but a tiny portion of the population. Most people who are familiar with it think it's weird and hilarious.
Sorry to burst your little bubble.
Re: Converting LDS into "Christians" using "Historical Flaws
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:54 pm
by _bcspace
Do you believe in the same Christ as the rest of Christianity, or do you agree with Hinckley?
Both. It is the same Christ that the rest of christianity speaks of, yet said christianity has applied erroneous properties and doctrines to him or removed them.