Revelation as a treatise of alchemy

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Revelation as a treatise of alchemy

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Shalom Friends!

A new post today on our forum I believe sums of the Christian Kabbalist view of Revelation:

Basically speaking, all of the Sefirot (Divine Attributes collectively The Name of God) of all of the Olamot (Universes, speaking of this universe (heavens and earth) and the Universes within and behind it) must be mended, which is to say realized, completed, and in their realization, or completion, they must be uplifted and unified, reintegrated with the Sefirot of the upper, inner Olam, from which they have emanated. This process is reflected in the Book of Apocalypse (Revelation) by the seven seals, seven trumpets and seven bowls, which represent the seven Sefirot of Construction of Asiyah, Yetzirah and Beriyah (3 of the Universes or Olamot - the celestial beings behind our physical world/asiyah), the hosts of angels/yetzirah, and the archangels/beriyah), respectively; as taught in Revelation, the klippot, or impure emanations, that the sparks are bound up in must be shattered and transformed, the sparks of holiness being drawn out of them and uplifted in the Great Ascension, and reintegrated with the Pleroma of Light, the Realm of Yichud (Adam Kadmon-Atzilut).

Revelation is a vision of the alchemy of souls, worlds, world systems, and universe within kabbalah.

Shalom!
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Hi Sheryl!

I love that you have created this thread!!!

Okay, I am trying to learn the names and the words which I am unfamiliar with which yet identify what I have already learned from studying Revelation, and what I still have to learn from Revelation.

I recognize many things from your summary - though I have found it difficult to describe them to others. Those things which I did not yet understand, however, your summary is helping to shed light (no pun intended) upon. Meanwhile, I do have some questions. Here are some of them. (Please read all the way through my post before you answer any questions, because there is always the slightest possibility that my thought process may have answered a question here or there...or not.)

Is the Realm of Yichud (Adam Kadmon-Atzilut) the eighth Heaven? I think I understand that the belief of the seven heavens represent our various levels of attaining full ascension which each individual spirit reaches in its progression of realization/Exaltation (accumulation of Truth/knowledge) as the klippot (impure emanations) are destroyed and the spirit is no longer bound by them. Or is the seventh heaven the Realm of Yichud (and there is no eighth Heaven)?

You have explained that within each heaven are seven levels - and our spirit needs to "ascend" through each of the seven levels within the seven heavens, which equals the 49 levels. This is why I had the idea that the 50th level represented an eighth heaven, at which point the actual integration takes place as we are absorbed from the seventh level of the seventh heaven without any more effort on our part. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself coherently; also, it is very possible I'm very confused still in understanding how to see this.

Is the Realm of Yichud the name of God's realm (God's "home")? Does God have a separate name which distinguishes Him from the name of His realm?

Is Adam Kadmon-Atzilut another name for the Realm of Yichud? Or is Adam Kadmon-Atzilut the name of God?

Is the klippot inclusive of the physical earth AND our internal impure emanations which bind us? Or is the physical earth the place where we remain while we rid our spirit of impure emanations; thus the physical earth is separate? Is the physical earth one of the Heavens?

What caused the shattering in the first place?

Is God still creating? Will there be other shatterings?

I believe the Book of Revelation is necessary to be in the Bible. I think that because the RCC did not understand it they went ahead and left it in because they felt it held no threat to their evolving commandments of men. The reason I believe the Revelation is necessary is because we DO need to understand it, or we will not be able to fully be freed of what binds us. I also believe that each spirit needs to go through the process described in Revelation. Additionally, I believe that the earth itself will also go through the same process. Therefore, the "end times" has at the least a dual meaning.

If the earth goes through the "end times" BEFORE all of the spirits assigned to it for their progression to Exaltation (reintegration) make it through their personal end times, then I think those spirits will then go to another "earth" to continue in their journey.

Is the Great Ascension the same thing as our personal Resurrection? Then, would the "glorified body" be something which supernaturally occurs as we ascend? Is our glorified body something we can "take off" if we choose to participate in the mending of other shattered worlds?

What???? Once again, my head hurts.....

Shalom,

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jo1952 wrote:
sheryl wrote:Shalom Friends!

A new post today on our forum I believe sums of the Christian Kabbalist view of Revelation:

Basically speaking, all of the Sefirot (Divine Attributes collectively The Name of God) of all of the Olamot (Universes, speaking of this universe (heavens and earth) and the Universes within and behind it) must be mended, which is to say realized, completed, and in their realization, or completion, they must be uplifted and unified, reintegrated with the Sefirot of the upper, inner Olam, from which they have emanated. This process is reflected in the Book of Apocalypse (Revelation) by the seven seals, seven trumpets and seven bowls, which represent the seven Sefirot of Construction of Asiyah, Yetzirah and Beriyah (3 of the Universes or Olamot - the celestial beings behind our physical world/asiyah), the hosts of angels/yetzirah, and the archangels/beriyah), respectively; as taught in Revelation, the klippot, or impure emanations, that the sparks are bound up in must be shattered and transformed, the sparks of holiness being drawn out of them and uplifted in the Great Ascension, and reintegrated with the Pleroma of Light, the Realm of Yichud (Adam Kadmon-Atzilut).

Revelation is a vision of the alchemy of souls, worlds, world systems, and universe within kabbalah.

Shalom!


Hi Sheryl!

I love that you have created this thread!!!


Hi Jo!

It was not my intention to start another thread! But since this discussion is not taking off on the other thread, God seemed wiser than me! Go figure.


Okay, I am trying to learn the names and the words which I am unfamiliar with which yet identify what I have already learned from studying Revelation, and what I still have to learn from Revelation.

I recognize many things from your summary - though I have found it difficult to describe them to others. Those things which I did not yet understand, however, your summary is helping to shed light (no pun intended) upon. Meanwhile, I do have some questions. Here are some of them. (Please read all the way through my post before you answer any questions, because there is always the slightest possibility that my thought process may have answered a question here or there...or not.)

Is the Realm of Yichud (Adam Kadmon-Atzilut) the eighth Heaven?


To understand Kabbalah, one has to shift their thinking from objects to movements. God, Messiah, Ransom, Salvation, Redemption, are not objects or goals that we reach. But movements that we join into. Even in space and time, we are not, nor is anything here, a constant, but a flux and movement. Methinks that physicists will understand.

Adam Kadmon is the first Adam. Kadmon means first or primordial. Thus Adam is not a fixed object but principle. There was 'Adam' before Genesis 1. As Judaism teaches us, Genesis is telling of the bet or second creation, not initial creation. But we will see the same priniciples, as our limited mind can understand, played out at every level of creation.

The Kingdom of Heaven is Malkut of Azilut, the Second Universe. Atzilut is the first layer of clothing or first emanation/universe pouring out of Adam Kadmon. Malkut or Kingdom of each Olamot is its fruit, and so the Kingdom of Heaven is the fruit of the first layer of clothing of Adam Kadmon.

The Realm of Yichud is speaking of the realm of Unity, from which all our sparks originated, and yes this is associated with Adam Kadmon. Adam Kadmon is the One Spirit of which we are all sparks. This part of us that originated in Adam Kadmon is called in Kabbalah the Yechidah. It is within each of us but so very beyond us at the same time.

I think I understand that the belief of the seven heavens represent our various levels of attaining full ascension which each individual spirit reaches in its progression of realization/Exaltation (accumulation of Truth/knowledge) as the klippot (impure emanations) are destroyed and the spirit is no longer bound by them. Or is the seventh heaven the Realm of Yichud (and there is no eighth Heaven)?


The seventh heaven is associated with the next level of our spirit or the Hayyah, or the living part of us. [This is also associated with the next Olamot or Universe, Beriyah.] This is the beginning of our individualization. Hayyah means Living. After resurrection, Yeshua is Hayyah Messiah, the Living Christ, for he awakened to, united with, and embodied this aspect of Him Self. We can embody Hayyah in physical incarnation, but not Yechidah. That is The-World-To-Come.

You have explained that within each heaven are seven levels - and our spirit needs to "ascend" through each of the seven levels within the seven heavens, which equals the 49 levels. This is why I had the idea that the 50th level represented an eighth heaven, at which point the actual integration takes place as we are absorbed from the seventh level of the seventh heaven without any more effort on our part. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself coherently; also, it is very possible I'm very confused still in understanding how to see this.


When we are speaking of the Seven Heavens and 7X7 or 49 and 50, we are speaking of the same Divine Principles. 7X7 is though not a fixed number our amount of time. It is speaking of 'forever and forever', a very long period of time, immeasurable. Or a very short period of time, depending on what is needed to accomplish purification. We see this same principle spoken of when Yeshua was asked about how many times we should forgive, he said 70X70, forever and forever and forever - definitely an immeasurable amount of time or times!

We have many ways of counting in Kabbalah, but again nothing of what we are speaking is fixed, we are talking about gateways and pathways and joining with movements. When we speak of 50 we are speaking of 50 gates of wisdom, for there are 5 Sefirot and 10 Olamot, equaling 50, but the eighth heaven would begin at the fruit of Atzilut, which would be 31 in our counting of Sefirot or attributes if we were to count from here to there. Malkut of Atzilut though is represented by the Divine Principle found in 50.

This points to the infinite becoming or evolving of creation! The grandest realization for us is realization of the fruit of Atzilut.* Holy men and women have been able to gaze in visionary experience beyond this, but are not able to bring it to our world, or even speak about it!

All 50 attributes of God are also referred to as His Name.

*Thought it might help to translate these names of the Olamot for everyone: Adam Kadmon is first emanation from Ain Sof. Is the One United Spirit of all creation. Atzilut means nearness, so in realizing Atzilut, we are near. (Atzilut is the universe of Divine Names or Divine Personifications, Father-Mother-Son Daughter). Beriyah mean to create, so Beriyah is the beginning of creation as we understand it (the world of Archangels). Yetzirah means to form and is the Olamot of the hosts of angels. Assiyah means to make and is the world of celestial beings or what is behind our physical universe.

Is the Realm of Yichud the name of God's realm (God's "home")? Does God have a separate name which distinguishes Him from the name of His realm?


All of this is God. Certain aspects of God exist everywhere. The Son and Daughter God are here. The Mother God is here. The Father God is not here though, we must bring him in via perfect vehicles or temples. The very beginning of God, or Source, as far as the Masters of our world system have been able to detect is Ain Sof, which is also called No-Thing - the nothing from which everyone arises! From Ain Sof, the first emanation is Adam Kadmon - we have a principle of first born here! ;) Father-Mother-Son-Daughter or Bride arise in the next Universe or Atzilut. The Olamot of Divine Names and Partzufim or personalities.

The Father remains in the Supernals though, the upper three Sefirot of Atzilute and we must ascend and embody him for him to manifest in this realm.

Something else to point out, in creation, beings are not distinguishable from the realm in which they abide. They are made up of the dust or essence of the world in which they are abiding or appearing. The purpose of creation is to make all of creation God's - all aspects of God's - abode - for the essence or dust of each world to become an abode or temple for God. Thus God's home is where ever creation let's God in. Remember what Yeshua taught: If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

Is Adam Kadmon-Atzilut another name for the Realm of Yichud? Or is Adam Kadmon-Atzilut the name of God?


Adam Kadmon is the first Universe and Atzilut is its clothing or the second Universe. These are all names of God. If one is realized and purified to Malkut of Atzilut they are abodes or temples for God. Adam Kadmon is the first emanation of God, so the very first first born. The first Adam. The Messiah is the mending or healing of Adam Kadmon and so is called the second Adam by Paul.

Is the klippot inclusive of the physical earth AND our internal impure emanations which bind us? Or is the physical earth the place where we remain while we rid our spirit of impure emanations; thus the physical earth is separate? Is the physical earth one of the Heavens?


Klippot is what arises in creation due to the delusion of separation, due to shattering, and the mending of creation is the shedding of the klippot and the reuniting as individual sparks what was once One Spirit or Adam Kadmon. But within everything even klippot are sparks of Adam Kadmon. The first heaven is a spiritual representation of earth, but with only what is good, without evil. It is what most think of as the Kingdom of Heaven, but this is only the first step to the Kingdom! There are many realms between here, below here, and the first Heaven. Hells, and midsts where souls get stuck.


What caused the shattering in the first place?


Light. When the Light of Ain Sof - indescribable in human terms, filled Adam Kadmon, Adam Kadmon shattered. The mending of Adam Kadmon is the arising of the next universe or Atzilut from the shatterings of Adam Kadmon, but then Atzilut shattered when filled with Light, making the next Olamot. Repeat, repeat and then we have this world. We are the mending of Asiyah and all the Olamots simultaneously turning all into a fit vessel to hold the Light of God.

This same priniciple plays out on many levels. Even in our world, we see personalities shattering all time! Well actually we begin shattered. "Falling" does not mean anyone did anything wrong. It is speaking of the principle of shattering. Revelation is the healing of the shattered Olamots, bringing them back into unity with Atzilut. This can happen on an individual level, a collective level, and a world level.

Is God still creating? Will there be other shatterings?


You have spoken a mystery here. Salvation is joining consciously with God in the act of creation and the cycles of shattering and mending. Yes, creation is constantly unfolding, mending, there are many world systems at various levels of shattering and mending. It is taught in Kabbalah that our world system (the physical universe and cosmic cycle that we know) is the combination of three cosmic shatterings. We are made up of three cosmic shatterings! No wonder we feel crazy sometimes!

When one joins in salvation, they realize there is Only One Being, being shattered and mended out into infinity.

I believe the Book of Revelation is necessary to be in the Bible. I think that because the RCC did not understand it they went ahead and left it in because they felt it held no threat to their evolving commandments of men. The reason I believe the Revelation is necessary is because we DO need to understand it, or we will not be able to fully be freed of what binds us. I also believe that each spirit needs to go through the process described in Revelation. Additionally, I believe that the earth itself will also go through the same process. Therefore, the "end times" has at the least a dual meaning.


It is our hope that the earth will go through this process too! That Revelation will come true for earth, and she will ascend collectively.

If the earth goes through the "end times" BEFORE all of the spirits assigned to it for their progression to Exaltation (reintegration) make it through their personal end times, then I think those spirits will then go to another "earth" to continue in their journey.


Yes, just as what we are made up of is what did not ascend from previous cosmic cycles.

Is the Great Ascension the same thing as our personal Resurrection?


We teach that personal ascension is a misnomer. Jesus came to call and make disciples to join with him in the Father's work. This is salvation. When one becomes a conscious co-laborer with God in the process of creation, they are saved.

Then, would the "glorified body" be something which supernaturally occurs as we ascend? Is our glorified body something we can "take off" if we choose to participate in the mending of other shattered worlds?

What???? Once again, my head hurts.....

Shalom,

jo


Actually, our glorified body is our undergarments, so to speak, in comparison to our physical body. There is a gnostic teaching telling of Jesus revealing his glory body, and the disciples thought the world would cease to exist in its presence. They began to beg Jesus, please Lord, put back on your flesh.

And yes, when we join in salvation and the Great Work, we will have three layers of embodiment through which we will work - the truth body, the glory body and the emanation body - which can be flesh or appear like flesh, all according to our will, and the necessity in the Great Work.

Shalom!

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Bu-Ba-Baff

I was reading the "Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco and i came across several sayings, "bu-ba-baff" and also "blitiri". It's been driving me crazy trying to figure out what they meant! I've looked all over the internet, but the only things I could find were in Italian! Please help me!

Thank you so much in advance,

Carolyn

How about examples? It's likely that they're just Italian slang, and the meaning can be guessed from context. By the way, this should be posted at the language reference desk.

I don't think they're Italian particularly. Umberto Eco wrote in On Literature, "I made a list of titles, among which I liked best Blitiri ('blitiri,' like 'babazuf,' is a term used by the late Scholastics to indicate a word devoid of meaning)" Шизомби

I second the second response. "Blitiri" is a word without a notion. It is used in late medieval (Latin) philosophy.

If you read them in "The Name of the Rose" then you would see that they are in the very context of the definitions given above. In fact, William of Baskerville explicitly mentions this. The whole premise of the argument in his discussion with Adso is that such words are devoid of meaning and he uses this example to support his overall discussion.
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ludwigm wrote:
Bu-Ba-Baff

I was reading the "Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco and i came across several sayings, "bu-ba-baff" and also "blitiri". It's been driving me crazy trying to figure out what they meant! I've looked all over the internet, but the only things I could find were in Italian! Please help me!

Thank you so much in advance,

Carolyn

How about examples? It's likely that they're just Italian slang, and the meaning can be guessed from context. By the way, this should be posted at the language reference desk.

I don't think they're Italian particularly. Umberto Eco wrote in On Literature, "I made a list of titles, among which I liked best Blitiri ('blitiri,' like 'babazuf,' is a term used by the late Scholastics to indicate a word devoid of meaning)" Шизомби

I second the second response. "Blitiri" is a word without a notion. It is used in late medieval (Latin) philosophy.

If you read them in "The Name of the Rose" then you would see that they are in the very context of the definitions given above. In fact, William of Baskerville explicitly mentions this. The whole premise of the argument in his discussion with Adso is that such words are devoid of meaning and he uses this example to support his overall discussion.



Hello ludwigm,

If you are directing this post towards the 'lingo' of my post, fyi it is all Hebrew. These are words/teachings from the Torah. Yes, it is a different language, but it is not a random language. Hebrew and its aleph-beit was created to explain mystical experiencing of God. If there is a language that would benefit a Christian the most, it is Hebrew.

Shalom!

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sheryl wrote:If you are directing this post towards the 'lingo' of my post

Not the 'lingo', the matter.

'Sefirot' ...
'To understand Kabbalah' ...
'the seven Sefirot of Construction of Asiyah, Yetzirah and Beriyah' ...

See my 1st signature...

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It is only gibberish, my friend, to those who do not know. To those who do, such words speak of Eternal Life.

ludwigm wrote:
sheryl wrote:If you are directing this post towards the 'lingo' of my post

Not the 'lingo', the matter.

'Sefirot' ...
'To understand Kabbalah' ...
'the seven Sefirot of Construction of Asiyah, Yetzirah and Beriyah' ...

See my 1st signature...

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-- I can pass nothing except my essence.
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sheryl wrote:If you are directing this post towards the 'lingo' of my post
ludwigm wrote:Not the 'lingo', the matter.

'Sefirot' ...
'To understand Kabbalah' ...
'the seven Sefirot of Construction of Asiyah, Yetzirah and Beriyah' ...
sheryl wrote:It is only gibberish, my friend, to those who do not know. To those who do, such words speak of Eternal Life.

Gibberish is gibberish.

See my 1st signature...

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-- I can pass nothing except my essence.
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Hi Sheryl,

You have given me so much to think about and get my head around. Already I am seeing how even the Jews, though their language is Hebrew, do not appear to understand the higher teachings for which their language was created.

I also see so many similarities in how Joseph Smith and Brigham Young tried to explain in English that knowledge which was enlightening their spirits. I do not know if any Kabbalah masters were around to help them; but is is apparent they WERE receiving higher understandings once the Gospel was restored. When it was restored there were very few, if any, "gentiles" who even knew about Kabbalah. Therefore, there was just generally nothing that man could identify with. I think if they had started out using the language you are now teaching us, the LDS Church would have found it nigh impossible to obtain any members.

You have probably heard of the Adam-God teaching of Brigham Young which even the members of the Church thought was a manifestation of BY having "lost it". Of course, language is a huge barrier for mankind.

Anyway, I am getting lost in my own thoughts. As soon as I have had time to digest some of this, I will respond to your post. I just wanted to make sure that you knew I am very much interested in pursuing this thread.

Shalom my friend,

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I get so sick and tired of people saying the Jews didn't/don't understand. Jo, what exactly do you mean when you say that?

Have you guys read this?Joseph Smith and Kabbalah: The Occult Connection
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