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If anyone is in a position to know the ins and outs of the LDS business empire, it’s Keith McMullin. He’s spent the past 17 years serving as the No. 2 counselor in the church’s so-called Presiding Bishopric, a three-man team that officially controls church finances and business endeavors

McMullin says the Mormon Church has “two or three or four for-profit entities under the Presiding Bishopric,”

Is it two...or three...or four...? After 17 years you'd think he might know...

He also confirms the Hoover’s estimate that DMC has annual revenues of roughly $1.2 billion, but a church spokesman later writes to say that McMullin retracted his estimate, claiming that $1.2 billion is “vastly overstated.” He did not offer a new one.

He spends 17 years overseeing DMC, becomes it's CEO and yet errantly 'vastly overstates' its revenue estimates?

In some cases money flows in the opposite direction, from the church’s treasury to the businesses. “From time to time, if there is a particular need, there would be some monies available, but fortunately over the years that has not been the case very often,” says McMullin. “If you have a particular reversal in an enterprise, you need to have some additional cash flow until you work through a difficult time. I’ll give you an example, we’re going through one right now: It’s called a recession.” McMullin declined to elaborate on whether the church has been bailing out subsidiaries.

I'm guessing he couldn't think of a quick faith promoting answer to that one, unlike....

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints attends to the total needs of its members,”

Really? 'Total Needs'? Hmmm, I wonder if Keith remembers saying this at a General Conference...

Lay up in store. Wives are instrumental in this work, but they need husbands who lead out in family preparedness. Children need parents who instill in them this righteous tradition. They will then do likewise with their children, and their stores will not fail.

A cardinal principle of the gospel is to prepare for the day of scarcity. Work, industry, frugality are part of the royal order of life. Remember these words from Paul: “If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Which sounds remarkably like him telling the members to sort themselves out.

“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually

So, according to McMullin, impoverished people can't blossom spiritually...Really?

“It’s for furthering the aim of the church to make, if you will, bad men good, and good men better"

Great new marketing strap line for City Creek - "Come shopping, we make bad men good and good men better, hurry limited offer only"

“They run their businesses like businesses, no bones about it"

Really? What business would make an investment where, when asked if it was going to turn a profit the answer was...

“Yes, but so modest that you would never have made such an investment"

And yet more double speak from McMullin...

According to McMullin, DMC alone employs 1,400 “people who are volunteering their time and their services—some are part-time and some are volunteer"

After my interview with McMullin, a church spokesman clarified that the majority of the 1,400 “are part-time employees, not volunteers"

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Seems a slightly incomplete list...hey Keith...?

According to McMullin, DMC alone employs 1,400 “people who are volunteering their time and their services—some are part-time and some are volunteer"

After my interview with McMullin, a church spokesman clarified that the majority of the 1,400 “are part-time employees, not volunteers"

I anger at companies who hire two part time employees instead of one full time ... to avoid paying health/other benefits.

RockSlider wrote:

According to McMullin, DMC alone employs 1,400 “people who are volunteering their time and their services—some are part-time and some are volunteer"

After my interview with McMullin, a church spokesman clarified that the majority of the 1,400 “are part-time employees, not volunteers"

I anger at companies who hire two part time employees instead of one full time ... to avoid paying health/other benefits.

Mormon God's a cheapskate...apparently...

RockSlider wrote:

According to McMullin, DMC alone employs 1,400 “people who are volunteering their time and their services—some are part-time and some are volunteer"

After my interview with McMullin, a church spokesman clarified that the majority of the 1,400 “are part-time employees, not volunteers"

I anger at companies who hire two part time employees instead of one full time ... to avoid paying health/other benefits.

this was one of the more uninformed opinions i have ever read that was not written on a t-shirt.

I don't have any problem, generally, with what Bro. McMullin said, except for the comment that "impoverished people cannot blossom spiritually." Joseph Smith, Sr., Lucy Mack Smith and the whole family were "impoverished", and it didn't get any better when young Joseph came along with the Book of Mormon, etc. They were very poor people, even for the standards of the time, and Joseph Smith, Sr., although a very hard worker and a man of sterling character, was not good at managing money. Joseph Smith, Jr. was also "impoverished"; he never had any money, and he and Emma never even had a house to call their own until the very end at Nauvoo when finally they could call the Mansion House home. Joseph Smith was always broke, and when he did have money, he promptly gave it away.

It is also interesting, in light of Bro. McMullin's comment, that in the Book of Mormon, when Alma goes out preaching, the only ones he can find who will listen to him are the "impoverished", the poor who had been "cast out of the synagogue."

kjones wrote:I don't have any problem, generally, with what Bro. McMullin said, except for the comment that "impoverished people cannot blossom spiritually." Joseph Smith, Sr., Lucy Mack Smith and the whole family were "impoverished", and it didn't get any better when young Joseph came along with the Book of Mormon, etc. They were very poor people, even for the standards of the time, and Joseph Smith, Sr., although a very hard worker and a man of sterling character, was not good at managing money. Joseph Smith, Jr. was also "impoverished"; he never had any money, and he and Emma never even had a house to call their own until the very end at Nauvoo when finally they could call the Mansion House home. Joseph Smith was always broke, and when he did have money, he promptly gave it away.

It is also interesting, in light of Bro. McMullin's comment, that in the Book of Mormon, when Alma goes out preaching, the only ones he can find who will listen to him are the "impoverished", the poor who had been "cast out of the synagogue."

That's always been the case. It is the rich because of their wealth, learning, and pride that keeps them from humbling themselves and earnestly seeking and speaking with the Lord. We see that all over the place. And many of those that formerly knew the gospel, also turn and mock the gospel and mock God and consider it foolishness because of those same causes. But, who goes out of their way to do that? If they really were that intelligent, they'd just dismiss it and find something worthwhile to do instead.

kjones wrote:I don't have any problem, generally, with what Bro. McMullin said, except for the comment that "impoverished people cannot blossom spiritually." Joseph Smith, Sr., Lucy Mack Smith and the whole family were "impoverished", and it didn't get any better when young Joseph came along with the Book of Mormon, etc. They were very poor people, even for the standards of the time, and Joseph Smith, Sr., although a very hard worker and a man of sterling character, was not good at managing money. Joseph Smith, Jr. was also "impoverished"; he never had any money, and he and Emma never even had a house to call their own until the very end at Nauvoo when finally they could call the Mansion House home. Joseph Smith was always broke, and when he did have money, he promptly gave it away.

It is also interesting, in light of Bro. McMullin's comment, that in the Book of Mormon, when Alma goes out preaching, the only ones he can find who will listen to him are the "impoverished", the poor who had been "cast out of the synagogue."

being poor does not necessarily mean the same as being impoverished, though many may think the terms are interchangeable....they are not exactly so.
Or did you align your meaning with the United Nations' definition? - "poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity"
that does seem to be an obstacle to spiritual blossoming

subgenius wrote:this was one of the more uninformed opinions i have ever read that was not written on a t-shirt.

Happens all the time, not sure why you think this is a uninformed observation. I did not claim that the church's 1400 part-time positions fall into this situation, I simply stated that I hate companies that do this.

subgenius wrote:

kjones wrote:I don't have any problem, generally, with what Bro. McMullin said, except for the comment that "impoverished people cannot blossom spiritually." Joseph Smith, Sr., Lucy Mack Smith and the whole family were "impoverished", and it didn't get any better when young Joseph came along with the Book of Mormon, etc. They were very poor people, even for the standards of the time, and Joseph Smith, Sr., although a very hard worker and a man of sterling character, was not good at managing money. Joseph Smith, Jr. was also "impoverished"; he never had any money, and he and Emma never even had a house to call their own until the very end at Nauvoo when finally they could call the Mansion House home. Joseph Smith was always broke, and when he did have money, he promptly gave it away.

It is also interesting, in light of Bro. McMullin's comment, that in the Book of Mormon, when Alma goes out preaching, the only ones he can find who will listen to him are the "impoverished", the poor who had been "cast out of the synagogue."

being poor does not necessarily mean the same as being impoverished, though many may think the terms are interchangeable....they are not exactly so.
Or did you align your meaning with the United Nations' definition? - "poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity"
that does seem to be an obstacle to spiritual blossoming

Sorry but I don't see your point. I served my mission among some of the poorest and most impoverished people on earth, and many of them were receptive to the gospel.

Tobin wrote:

kjones wrote:I don't have any problem, generally, with what Bro. McMullin said, except for the comment that "impoverished people cannot blossom spiritually." Joseph Smith, Sr., Lucy Mack Smith and the whole family were "impoverished", and it didn't get any better when young Joseph came along with the Book of Mormon, etc. They were very poor people, even for the standards of the time, and Joseph Smith, Sr., although a very hard worker and a man of sterling character, was not good at managing money. Joseph Smith, Jr. was also "impoverished"; he never had any money, and he and Emma never even had a house to call their own until the very end at Nauvoo when finally they could call the Mansion House home. Joseph Smith was always broke, and when he did have money, he promptly gave it away.

It is also interesting, in light of Bro. McMullin's comment, that in the Book of Mormon, when Alma goes out preaching, the only ones he can find who will listen to him are the "impoverished", the poor who had been "cast out of the synagogue."

That's always been the case. It is the rich because of their wealth, learning, and pride that keeps them from humbling themselves and earnestly seeking and speaking with the Lord. We see that all over the place. And many of those that formerly knew the gospel, also turn and mock the gospel and mock God and consider it foolishness because of those same causes. But, who goes out of their way to do that? If they really were that intelligent, they'd just dismiss it and find something worthwhile to do instead.

You seem to be saying that one has a better chance of blossoming spiritually if one is in more impoverished circumstances - the exact opposite of McMullin. (not that I disagree if you are).