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"Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:33 am
by _gdemetz
I hope all the "anti's" here will listen to this doctors story which was on Fox news. I'm confident that they will conclude, as they always do, that all this really happened only in her mind. Anyhow, it's just another of many such firm testimonies, and by the way, she wasn't roasting in hell for not making a profession of faith, nor was she singing in the heavenly choir above for those who did! She obviously was in the spirit world as the true LDS doctrine teaches!
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:56 am
by _son of Ishmael
are you going to provide a link or something?
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:10 am
by _Drifting
It seems Dr Mary Neal is keen to cash in (I may be doing her a slight disservice in that she claims the proceeds of the book will be given to charity once production costs and expenses have been accounted for) on her life after death experience.....
"To Heaven and Back is a book I wrote about my spiritual journey and the near-death experience I had in 1999 while kayaking in the Los Rios region of southern Chile. I wrote it because more than anything I want people to know that God’s unconditional love for each of us is intense, complete, and is reflected in all of Heaven. Before we return to Heaven, our real home, we have an incredible opportunity on Earth to face challenges that will help us learn, grow and to become more Christ-like in the fruits of our spirit. Our time is so short that we need to be about God’s business every day."
Dr Mary NealIt may be coincidence that the Fox News article dated May 2012 coincides with the launch of Dr Mary Neals book rather than the date of the near death experience (13 years ago).
Dr. Mary Neal is a board-certified orthopaedic spine surgeon who drowned while kayaking on a South American river. She experienced life after death. She went to heaven and back, conversed with Jesus and experienced God's encompassing love. She was returned to Earth with some specific instructions for work she still needed to do. Her life has been one filled with the miracles and intervention of God. Her story gives reason to live by faith and is a story of hope.
Find out more at drmaryneal.com
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:13 am
by _bcuzbcuz
Drifting wrote:It seems Dr Mary Neal is keen to cash in (I may be doing her a slight disservice in that she claims the proceeds of the book will be given to charity once production costs and expenses have been accounted for) on her life after death experience.....
"To Heaven and Back is a book I wrote about my spiritual journey and the near-death experience I had in 1999 while kayaking in the Los Rios region of southern Chile. I wrote it because more than anything I want people to know that God’s unconditional love for each of us is intense, complete, and is reflected in all of Heaven. Before we return to Heaven, our real home, we have an incredible opportunity on Earth to face challenges that will help us learn, grow and to become more Christ-like in the fruits of our spirit. Our time is so short that we need to be about God’s business every day."
Dr Mary NealIt may be coincidence that the Fox News article dated May 2012 coincides with the launch of Dr Mary Neals book rather than the date of the near death experience (13 years ago).
Dr. Mary Neal is a board-certified orthopaedic spine surgeon who drowned while kayaking on a South American river. She experienced life after death. She went to heaven and back, conversed with Jesus and experienced God's encompassing love. She was returned to Earth with some specific instructions for work she still needed to do. Her life has been one filled with the miracles and intervention of God. Her story gives reason to live by faith and is a story of hope.
Find out more at drmaryneal.com
Her parting comment is "There is no such thing as bad." I'm moved. What a wonderful, insightful, glorious and warming pile of crap!
It makes me believe in death-bed repentance all over again. She gets trapped under her kayak with no way out and then turns her life over to God and he swoops down and saves her and greets her into the next life with a crowd of 15 people who welcome her.
It is truly just a matter of timing. All I have to do is get an extra 15 minutes before I die and I can swiftly repent and Wooosh!, everything is saved.
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:20 am
by _Drifting
She joined Facebook at the end of 2011 and in her first posts plugged her book.
From a Q&A on Amazon...
Q. Why do you think you came back to life?
A. I certainly didn't want to return to Earth, but was given information about some of the work I had yet to complete and wasn't really given a choice. I was expected to share my experiences and my story with others, helping transform their faith into compete trust that God keeps His promises.Why didn't God tell her to become a Mormon?
One of the 'helpful' reviews...
316 of 333 people found the following review helpful
Most of all true February 9, 2012
By Bruce Stubblefield
Format:Paperback|Amazon Verified Purchase
At the same time that Dr. Mary Neal was drowning in a river in Chile, her husband, Bill, appeared to me in a dream. Bill is an old friend of mine from high school. We had shared many adventures and confidences over the years, but neither he nor any other friend had ever stared at me in a dream and woke me up. I shook it off at the time, only to learn a few days or weeks later why I had seen him.
Wait...you didn't want to return to earth?
You didn't want to return to your husband and children?
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:41 am
by _Drifting
http://bangordailynews.com/2010/03/14/s ... -olympics/This is an article about Dr Neal coping with the loss of her 23 year old son in 2010.
PRESQUE ISLE, Maine — Volunteering as a timer at last week’s USSA Junior XC Olympics may very well be the hardest thing Dr. Mary Neal has ever done.
It’s not that the work itself was especially difficult; she has timed scores of competitive Nordic events.
It wasn’t even the fact that she traveled to Presque Isle from her home in Jackson Hole, Wyo., on a broken ankle compliments of a backcountry skiing accident two weeks ago.
For Neal, being in northern Maine brought a firsthand reminder of the split second nine months ago when her family’s life changed forever.
On June 21, 2009, Neal’s son William “Willie” Neal was killed while roller skiing when he was struck from behind by a car driven by 18-year-old Erik Lundquist of Fort Fairfield.
In December, Aroostook County District Attorney Neale Adams determined Lundquist did not commit “gross deviation” warranting a manslaughter charge, and no charges were pressed.
“Coming out here was very, very difficult,” Mary Neal said Saturday afternoon after the final competition at the Nordic Heritage Center. “None of us really wanted to come.”
I have sympathy with anyone who loses a child.
I do find it odd that she neglects to mention her own near death experience in the interview. One would think meeting and conversing with Jesus would have put some lasting perspective on her grief.
Perhaps it only became important to relate her experience once the book was written and neaded promoting.
Does this sound like someone who had met personally with Jesus ten years earlier?
Since June, Neal and her family have dealt with their loss as best they can, with Mary Neal saying it has never been easy.
“Were it not for the responsibility of raising our other children I would not get out of bed,” Neal said. “But God gave us the privilege and responsibility to raise our other children.”
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:55 am
by _Drifting
gdemetz wrote:I hope all the "anti's" here will listen to this doctors story which was on Fox news. I'm confident that they will conclude, as they always do, that all this really happened only in her mind. Anyhow, it's just another of many such firm testimonies, and by the way, she wasn't roasting in hell for not making a profession of faith, nor was she singing in the heavenly choir above for those who did! She obviously was in the spirit world as the true LDS doctrine teaches!
gdemetz, what do you make of the timeline of events?
1999 - near death experience, meets Jesus, tells nobody.
2010 - loses son, doesn't mention meeting Jesus.
2011 - launches book, tells all who will listen that she's met Jesus.
And why do you think Jesus didn't tell her to join the Mormon Church?
Can you also explain why, in it's guidance about submissions to LDS publications, the Church specifically says it cannot use near death experiences?
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:16 am
by _gdemetz
Drifting, you make a lot of good points. I can't really answer the time line question unless I did a lot more research on her life. As concerning the reason Christ did not tell her to join the Mormon church, I can only speculate that, based on other similar experiences I have read, it seems as though Christ had very little if any communication with those people in that state, and perhaps it was that He did not want to give someone such a revelation until they merited it. This would be consistent with Him teaching in parables. The apostles asked Him why He didn't teach the people plainly (as He taught them), and His answer was simply that to them it was given to know, and obviously to the others it was not. I also think that the reason the church has given those guidelines is perhaps due to the fact that there are those who state they have had such an experience, but to me just don't seem like credible witnesses like this doctor.
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:35 am
by _Drifting
gdemetz wrote:Drifting, you make a lot of good points. I can't really answer the time line question unless I did a lot more research on her life. As concerning the reason Christ did not tell her to join the Mormon church, I can only speculate that, based on other similar experiences I have read, it seems as though Christ had very little if any communication with those people in that state, and perhaps it was that He did not want to give someone such a revelation until they merited it. This would be consistent with Him teaching in parables. The apostles asked Him why He didn't teach the people plainly (as He taught them), and His answer was simply that to them it was given to know, and obviously to the others it was not. I also think that the reason the church has given those guidelines is perhaps due to the fact that there are those who state they have had such an experience, but to me just don't seem like credible witnesses like this doctor.
Not in the case of Dr Mary.
She explains Jesus spoke with her quite specifically and gave her instructions. Those instructions did not include joining the Mormon Church.
Don't get me wrong, my sympathies go out to Dr Neal for the loss of her son. But I think everyone can see that the book, if not an attempt to cash in, is a mechanism for her to cope and make sense of her son's death. As is her claimed visitation and dialogue with Jesus.
Of course, it could be that Dr Mary experienced exactly what she says she experienced. But that leaves us with the little problem of Jesus 'forgetting' which Church is His one true one...
Re: "Doctor has Life after Death Experience..."
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:33 am
by _gdemetz
Drifting, giving one specific instructions is one thing, and giving them a revelation which they perhaps were not entitled to is another.