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President Hinckley said to him: “‘I do not wish to give offense to any of my Christian colleagues who use the cross on the steeples of their cathedrals and at the altars of their chapels, who wear it on their vestments, and imprint it on their books and other literature. But for us, the cross is the symbol of the dying Christ, while our message is a declaration of the Living Christ.’” (“The Symbol of Christ,” New Era, Apr. 1990, 4.)

Joseph Fielding Smith – “To many, like the writer, such a custom is repugnant and contrary to the true worship of our Redeemer. Why should we bow down before a cross or use it as a symbol? Because our Savior died on the cross, the wearing of crosses is to most Latter-day Saints in very poor taste and inconsistent to our worship.” (Answers to Gospel Questions 4:17;)

1. Only anti-mormon out of context bearing false witness makes the claim that we have some "extreme" aversion to the "cross". Fact is is we don't. Yes, we generally avoid it because of the reasons we always state, but there is no aversion to it.

2. The cross can actually be found if looking on many LDS Temples.

3. Further, the fact is that "Christianity" is falsely using the cross as a symbol. Why? Because nearly all indications of the word "cross" in reference to Christ (other than a couple of specific references) is using the word "cross" to refer to "Christ's Cross", i.e. his sacrifice, his atonement, his mission, etc.

It's not at all talking about the actual physical instrument called the "cross" that he died on. This can be understood by both reading the reference in context of the scripture, and further by reading it in the original language. The "translators" are the ones who added the word "cross"..... It was in reference to his sacrifice etc., not the actual physical cross.

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Mktavish wrote:Oh I get it ... the Mormon aversion to the cross, is because they are vampires???

Did anybody notice the side advertisement if you follow that second link for temple in Rome?

It said " We are adopted by god not born to a heavenly father and mother"

So would that mean we are not created by god? Hmmm it seems the so called "christians" are changeing their toon also.

notice how we are children by adoption only not literal children of God


• Ephesians 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

• Romans 8:23
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

• Romans 9:4
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

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Mormons have their own types of symbols that they like to remind them of God
Jesus is not that important to Mormons with them its all about Joseph and what he did hence...

Not forgeting the Masonic symbols in their underwear they are the real symbols that save, not the cross!

Sun, Moon and Stars... = Intelligence, light and knowledge are linked in their understanding... Which is why they believe in fibre optic technology.

Handshakes and Beehives, is all about community and social standing, The Queen stays at home making babies surrounded by gold, the workers work their asses off and the drones who can't be arsed do nothing.

CTR stands for choose the right, rather than WWJD what would Joseph / Jesus do?

then there's the golden Moroni cause the whole of Gods plan was made possible by him.

then there are the most revered of symbols those of the stone masons, stitched into their undies are the workman's tools that are so sacred they don't tell anyone what they are.

The pentagram... is the same as the compass and square, the inverted pentagram represents the pyramid and the revelation from God to man through the pyramid to the earth.

the square, to symbolize uprightness before God. What is it you need to be straight with him about,he knows everything? Perhaps Gods representative wants to be convinced your paying an honest tithe?

the compass, is meant to represent boundaries even though the girth is extendable? So what God says may change, be flexible!

the navel to represent the need of constant nourishment, in other words rely on whatever crap we feed you, that we have also been fed, eliminating the need for independent thinking.

the knee representing that every knee shall bow, at the coming of the savior? Why would some one need wear a symbol in their pants to be constantly reminded of that? your mind is not good enough.

They are all Vague and meaning less man made symbols.

Mktavish wrote:

Mittens wrote: notice how we are children by adoption only not literal children of God


• Ephesians 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

• Romans 8:23
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

• Romans 9:4
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Well I'm certainly not going to debate scripture and its meaning. But wouldn't the belief that god created the universe and everything in it fly against him adopting us. Meaning we were allready here?

My belief of what god really might be (Atleast to say him ,a deity that interacts with humans) Is one that is trying to actively "Adopt" us as you might say. And there are probably many of them , which is why we see faith in god so split up.

I suppose we could call these personages the software developers that have knowledge at various levels of programming , to make software for us ... the end users.

However then this imply's there was a creator for the computer and its basic laws of function. I just believe this entity is static in our world as we know it. (All knowing , never needing or able to learn anything) Therefore dead in existence to what we know as it (that life evolves,grows ... learns)

Satan reigns over the earth. When Adam and Eve sinned, they became the children of satan. One must be redeemed/saved in order to become a child of God. The Moromon concept seems to be that God begat spirit babies who would be in fact His children; however, that would also make them Gods and perfect as their Father. This is not the case. Man is a created being who has a body, soul and spirit (God breathed -- not begotten). Man was created perfect but had the ability to choose to become evil. God cannot become evil. When Adam and Eve choose evil, they became like satan ---- corrupted and satan's ward. The only way man can get back to God is through adoption by way of the Redeemer by placing their faith in His power ---- not trying to rely on one's own (which is why Adam and Eve sinned in the 1st place ------- See Genesis (EAT THIS and you will BECOME like God).

ldsfaqs wrote:1. Only anti-mormon out of context bearing false witness makes the claim that we have some "extreme" aversion to the "cross". Fact is is we don't. Yes, we generally avoid it because of the reasons we always state, but there is no aversion to it.

2. The cross can actually be found if looking on many LDS Temples.

3. Further, the fact is that "Christianity" is falsely using the cross as a symbol. Why? Because nearly all indications of the word "cross" in reference to Christ (other than a couple of specific references) is using the word "cross" to refer to "Christ's Cross", i.e. his sacrifice, his atonement, his mission, etc.

It's not at all talking about the actual physical instrument called the "cross" that he died on. This can be understood by both reading the reference in context of the scripture, and further by reading it in the original language. The "translators" are the ones who added the word "cross"..... It was in reference to his sacrifice etc., not the actual physical cross.

Come on “ldsfaqs” your comments here are very polarizing. I agree that many in the bloggernacle are just grinding out their anger, but this is clearly a cross on a temple which the church has clearly taught against the use of crosses since its very beginning. Mormons have not just "generally" avoided it, this is the first cross I have ever seen on any Mormon building, I certainly did not expect to see it on a temple regardless of how subtle it might be. It makes sense, Rome has allot of Catholics, however is the church trying to mainstreaming to much?

Even though it is a subtle cross on the front door and not replacing Moroni on top the spire, would hardliners like Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie approve?

"In succeeding centuries, the churches which came into being through an intermingling of pagan concepts with the true apostolic Christianity developed the practice of using symbolic crosses in the architecture of their buildings and jewelry. . . All this is inharmonious with the quiet spirit of worship and reverence that should attend a true Christian's remembrance of our Lord's sufferings and death". (Mormon Doctrine p.172)

Dcharle wrote:

ldsfaqs wrote:1. Only anti-mormon out of context bearing false witness makes the claim that we have some "extreme" aversion to the "cross". Fact is is we don't. Yes, we generally avoid it because of the reasons we always state, but there is no aversion to it.

2. The cross can actually be found if looking on many LDS Temples.

3. Further, the fact is that "Christianity" is falsely using the cross as a symbol. Why? Because nearly all indications of the word "cross" in reference to Christ (other than a couple of specific references) is using the word "cross" to refer to "Christ's Cross", i.e. his sacrifice, his atonement, his mission, etc.

It's not at all talking about the actual physical instrument called the "cross" that he died on. This can be understood by both reading the reference in context of the scripture, and further by reading it in the original language. The "translators" are the ones who added the word "cross"..... It was in reference to his sacrifice etc., not the actual physical cross.

Come on “ldsfaqs” your comments here are very polarizing. I agree that many in the bloggernacle are just grinding out their anger, but this is clearly a cross on a temple which the church has clearly taught against the use of crosses since its very beginning. Mormons have not just "generally" avoided it, this is the first cross I have ever seen on any Mormon building, I certainly did not expect to see it on a temple regardless of how subtle it might be. It makes sense, Rome has allot of Catholics, however is the church trying to mainstreaming to much?

Even though it is a subtle cross on the front door and not replacing Moroni on top the spire, would hardliners like Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie approve?

"In succeeding centuries, the churches which came into being through an intermingling of pagan concepts with the true apostolic Christianity developed the practice of using symbolic crosses in the architecture of their buildings and jewelry. . . All this is inharmonious with the quiet spirit of worship and reverence that should attend a true Christian's remembrance of our Lord's sufferings and death". (Mormon Doctrine p.172)

Paganism on the temple

http://www.mormonoutreach.org/pagan_and ... ymbols.php