If Romney wins...

[_Drifting]

...will you believe God had His hand in the campaign and result?

[_LittleNipper]

No matter which wins, God had His hand in it. If Obama, likely God is setting up the United States to be a third world country. If Romney wins, God may be setting up the Anti-Christ. It is really hard to say.

[_Bond James Bond]

I'd take it as evidence God is either a vulture capitalist or a hedge fund manager.

[_moksha]

Drifting, I will know something is up when Donny Osmond is presented the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[_Drifting]

I guess the point I'm making is that Mormon's worldwide will credit God for Romney's victory and have that knowing "it's all part of the plan" look on their face.

That's fine, but what if he loses? Will that still be part of the plan?

[_malkie]

I guess the point I'm making is that Mormon's worldwide will credit God for Romney's victory and have that knowing "it's all part of the plan" look on their face.

That's fine, but what if he loses? Will that still be part of the plan?

My guess is that it will show how strongly Satan is working in the latter days; or that the time is not right; or win or lose, the plan was for the LDS church to get publicity; or the US is being allowed to ripen in its iniquity for a while longer; or ... any number of post-hoc rationalizations.

[_subgenius]

I'd take it as evidence God is either a vulture capitalist or a hedge fund manager.

jealous much?

[_subgenius]

I guess the point I'm making

you "guess"...finally you are being honest about your "points".

is that Mormon's worldwide will credit God for Romney's victory and have that knowing "it's all part of the plan" look on their face.

pretty elaborate assumption there Drift, and quite contrary to Mormon theology.....but take comfort in knowing that people like Nipper will think that, like Hitler, it will be part of a bigger plan to help Israel.

That's fine, but what if he loses? Will that still be part of the plan?

again, what plan are you talking about? are you confusing Mormonism for Calvinism?

1. Article of Faith #2 clearly removes any foundation for Predestination
2. Pre-mortal existence does likewise
3. Plan of Salvation affirms this as well

oh yes, and that pesky Agency, because without the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, one can not be accountable for their actions - whatever type of action it may be.

sooo.......what plan are you talking about again?

[_Drifting]

1. Article of Faith #2 clearly removes any foundation for Predestination
2. Pre-mortal existence does likewise
3. Plan of Salvation affirms this as well

In the premortal spirit world, God appointed certain spirits to fulfill specific missions during their mortal lives.

May I say that there is no chance in the call of these brethren to direct the Lord’s work on earth. His hand is in it. He knows the end from the beginning. He ordained and established the plan of salvation and decreed that his everlasting gospel should be revealed to man in a series of dispensations commencing with Adam and continuing to Joseph Smith. And he—the Almighty—chooses the prophets and apostles who minister in his name and present his message to the world in every age and dispensation. He selects and foreordains his ministers; he sends them to earth at the times before appointed; he guides and directs their continuing mortal preparations; and he then calls them to those positions they were foreordained to receive from before the foundations of the earth.

PREDESTINATION
See Foreordination.

*All quotes courtesy of LDS.org*

[_Bond James Bond]

I'd take it as evidence God is either a vulture capitalist or a hedge fund manager.

jealous much?

Nope. Correctly punctuate much?