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Original manuscript

1 Nephi 20:1
Hearken & hear this O house of Jacob which are called by the name of Israel & are come forth out of the waters of Judah which swear by the name of the Lord & make mention of the God of Israel yet they swear not in truth nor in righteousness

1830 edition of Book of Mormon
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

Todays changed version 1840-2012
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah (or out of the waters of baptism), which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

notice how Mormons change their s0-called sacred scripture

Mittens wrote:Original manuscript

1 Nephi 20:1
Hearken & hear this O house of Jacob which are called by the name of Israel & are come forth out of the waters of Judah which swear by the name of the Lord & make mention of the God of Israel yet they swear not in truth nor in righteousness

1830 edition of Book of Mormon
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

Todays changed version 1840-2012
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah (or out of the waters of baptism), which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

notice how Mormons change their s0-called sacred scripture

Nothing has "changed"......

Pay attention to actual FACTS for a change please, and stop bearing false witness.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon ... baptism%22

ldsfaqs wrote:

Mittens wrote:Original manuscript

1 Nephi 20:1
Hearken & hear this O house of Jacob which are called by the name of Israel & are come forth out of the waters of Judah which swear by the name of the Lord & make mention of the God of Israel yet they swear not in truth nor in righteousness

1830 edition of Book of Mormon
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

Todays changed version 1840-2012
Hearken and hear this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah (or out of the waters of baptism), which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel; yet they swear not in truth, nor in righteousness.

notice how Mormons change their s0-called sacred scripture

Nothing has "changed"......

Pay attention to actual FACTS for a change please, and stop bearing false witness.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon ... baptism%22

Baptism was not in orginal 1830 edition so I'm not bearing false witness

Mittens wrote:Baptism was not in orginal 1830 edition so I'm not bearing false witness

Niether were proper punctuation, footnotes, chapter headings and a host of other things.
Further it's in Parentheses.... Have you never heard of such a thing??? They are ADDITIONS to a text designed to clarify something that are NOT A PART OF THE TEXT!!! The Bible is FULL OF THEM, and other similar ADDITIONS!!!!!!

Hypocrite!

Even more, HE WAS THE TRANSLATOR.... He has every right to "clarify" if he felt so inspired to. He didn't remove anything or add anything. He added a "clarification".

Ever heard of "judge not least ye be judged"???
You condemn us for things that is FULL in your books.
Heck, you're even worse.... You have "scholars" especially Evangelical ones doing your "translations", changing the meanings of things, removing things, adding things, etc.

And you have the GALL to condemn us or Joseph???

Learn what PARENTHESES ARE before you condemn us!!!

Thus, you ARE bearing false witness!!!
You accused him of adding something, when he didn't. Parenthesis are editorial or otherwise clarifications, not additions or changes to actual TEXT. In other words, learn the basics of ENGLISH before you judge people!!!

The vain and foolish traditions of your fathers...

On the subject of Translation and Baptism...

Basically, it has nothing to do with GOD.
It's about taking a bath, in order to be accepted into a society.

It is another stupid Mosaic law, converts to Judaism weren't the only ones to go through this washing ritual.
Way back when, Jewish Women had to go through it regularly after being unclean due to menstruation, they would have to leave the city until it had passed and then ritualisticly wash upon their return.
why don't the LDS church do this today?

IMPO: Joseph Cocked up here because he was using the term through out the Book of Mormon 'exclusively' for entry into Christianity.
as early as 580bc

Which to me shows Joseph was possibly basing things on his current beliefs and not translating from an ancient historical text.

Also by changing the temple ceremony including the washing and anointing, they have changed the ordinances and so come under condemnation from GOD who supposedly revealed them in the first place.

There is no difference here than changing Baptism by immersion to sprinkling, which they pride themselves on having the true mode and manner of baptism.

The washing and anointing in the temple is symbolic ritual like baptism, therefore 1 touch of water represents WASHING!

HYPOCRITE!

PrickKicker wrote:The vain and foolish traditions of your fathers...

On the subject of Translation and Baptism...

Basically, it has nothing to do with GOD.
It's about taking a bath, in order to be accepted into a society.

makes no sense...then why was the early christian tradition of baptism performed when a person was on their deathbed? going through life stinky was ok but a clean corpse was preferred prior to burial?

PrickKicker wrote:It is another stupid Mosaic law, converts to Judaism weren't the only ones to go through this washing ritual.
Way back when, Jewish Women had to go through it regularly after being unclean due to menstruation, they would have to leave the city until it had passed and then ritualisticly wash upon their return.
why don't the LDS church do this today?

cleansing traditions and ritual are hardly "stupid" as they have long been revealed as being beneficial to many aspects of modern human life.
Your logic is strange, unless we admit that the sanitary procedure used in many modern hospitals is also founded in old Jewish traditions...even General Electric would need to pay homage to Leviticus for the divine inspiration of a dish-washing machine.

PrickKicker wrote:The washing and anointing in the temple is symbolic ritual like baptism, therefore 1 touch of water represents WASHING!

seems like the symbolism of 1 touch of water is different than full immersion....would the symbolism be the same if Matthew 17:20 read "watermelon" in place of "grain of mustard seed"?

So MITTENS..... I'm waiting for a response???

Why the double standard, ignoring of basic English/textual rules, etc.?
Could it be bigotry??? For sure.

Never ceases to fascinate me of how a good half of the false arguments by "Christian" anti-mormons are hypocritical ones which if applied to their own beliefs would also destroy their own beliefs.

Mittens just condemned Joseph Smith and us of something that the Bible itself is full of.
Another good example is all the so-called "false prophecies" of Joseph Smith. The same exact kinds of statements and examples are found in the Bible, yet we don't see the anti-mormon condemning nor falsely representing the same exact things found in the Bible.

Subgenius you have a repeated behaviour of failing to actually give any factual answers to questions raised, you just quote people and type nonsense inbetween quotes claiming other people opinions are nonsense without explaination.

You can't even see your own stupidity...
CFR?

I say...

it has nothing to do with GOD. It's about taking a bath, in order to be accepted into a society.

You say...

makes no sense.

You then go on to say...

cleansing traditions and ritual are hardly "stupid" as they have long been revealed as being beneficial to many aspects of modern human life.
Your logic is strange, unless we admit that the sanitary procedure used in many modern hospitals is also founded in old Jewish traditions.

That's right my logic is strange, because it is GODless.

Because everything GOD is claimed to have said makes PERFECT sense to someone who is deluded.