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an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:34 pm
by _subgenius
Drifting has brought up an issue on another thread and it seems to merit an informal poll to see how responses would result.
Please, select one option that best describes yourself.
Honesty is appreciated.
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:38 pm
by _Drifting
Trying to get evidence to support Elder Cook's baseless assertion at Conference! Brilliant!

Your poll is rigged.
The question should be:
"What was the reason behind you becoming less committed at Church?"
1. Unkindness
2. Violence
3. Domestic abuse
4. Sexual immorality and impure thoughts
5. Church history
6. Church doctrine and/or policy
*you may select all that apply*
Subby, change your poll to a more honest one and I will answer honestly...
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:15 pm
by _Tobin
The poll is rather stilted and would be difficult for me to answer:
1) I believe in God.
2) I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.
3) I believe the Bible and Book of Mormon are inspired scripture.
4) I believe in the Gospel and in some Mormon doctrines.
5) I dispute some other things that are taught by the LDS Church are actually part of the Gospel.
6) I do NOT pay tithing to the LDS Church and instead try to be charitable with everyone I meet. I also believe the law of consecration is what should be lived by all those that follow God.
7) I have been to the temple, but I no longer attend because I can not in good conscience agree that the current leadership is inspired (though they could if they actually sought God out), I do not pay tithing to the Church, and I believe the WoW has been perverted.
8) I occasionally attend sacrament meeting. I refrain from Sunday School and Gospel Doctrine because I have had too many confrontations in the past.
9) I sometimes see an R-rated movie that contains violent content and or sexual content.
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:41 pm
by _subgenius
it could very well gather evidence that Cook's assertion was, in fact, baseless.
awkward for you i suppose
Drifting wrote:Your poll is rigged.
all polls are rigged
Drifting wrote:The question should be:
"What was the reason behind you becoming less committed at Church?"
the poll is not about that...it was specific to porn and violence.
The reason for any level of commitment is not in question...the behavior for any given level of commitment is.
Drifting wrote:Subby, change your poll to a more honest one and I will answer honestly...
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:50 pm
by _just me
Uh, anyone who watches TV or movies views material with "promiscuous behavior" or "violence." LMAO!
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:04 pm
by _subgenius
just me wrote:Uh, anyone who watches TV or movies views material with "promiscuous behavior" or "violence." LMAO!
or commercials during the super bowl....
however, this poll relies on one's personal assessment of both their own commitment and their own consideration for what is sex/violence in this context.
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:47 pm
by _Mktavish
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Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:29 am
by _PrickKicker
2 votes so far on number 3.
The poll is floored because the only honest people are those who are brave enough to tell the truth, they are the ones who declare they are not committed.
Committed members are liars and or won't take part.
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:37 am
by _Drifting
PrickKicker wrote:2 votes so far on number 3.
Is your lack of commitment because you "view material which contains violence, pornography" or becayse of your "promiscuous behavior" or some other reason?
Re: an Honesty Poll
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:26 am
by _PrickKicker
Drifting wrote:PrickKicker wrote:2 votes so far on number 3.
Is your lack of commitment because you "view material which contains violence, pornography" or becayse of your "promiscuous behavior" or some other reason?
HELL-NO!
As a mammal that eats other animals and has to compete against others for survival and continue my species.
Sex and violence manipulation are all natural God given talents that all healthy humans possess and the lack of those things in modern society is made up for by a virtual substitution for the reality.
Trying to find the best words to describe why I am less committed I stumbled across these words from Joseph Smith, some one I once held in high regard, which I have altered to suit my situation...
Born and raised In process of time my mind became somewhat a washed to the Mormon sect, and I felt some desire to be united with them; but so great were the confusion and strife among the different MEMBERs, that it was impossible for a person young as I was, and so unacquainted with men and things, to come to any certain conclusion who was bright and who was wrong.
...it was seen that the seemingly good feelings of both the priests and the converts were more pretended than real; for a scene of great confusion and bad feeling ensued—priest contending against priest, and convert against convert; so that all their good feelings one for another, if they ever had any, were entirely lost in a strife of words and a contest about opinions.
The Mormons were most decided against the all other churches, and used all the powers of both reason and sophistry to prove their errors, or, at least, to make the people think they were in error. On the other hand, the churches in their turn were equally zealous in endeavoring to establish their own tenets and disprove all others. 10
In the midst of this war of words and tumult of opinions, I often said to myself: What is to be done? Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together? If any one of them be aright, which is it, and how shall I know it? 11 While I was laboring under the extreme difficulties caused by the contests of these parties of religionists, I was one day reading the Epistle of Moroni, tenth chapter and 3-5th verse, which reads: 3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
12 Never did any passage of scripture come with more power to the heart of man than this did at this time to mine. It seemed to enter with great force into every feeling of my heart. I reflected on it again and again, knowing that if any person needed wisdom from God, I did; for how to act I did not know, and unless I could get more wisdom than I then had, I would never know; for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible.
13 At length I came to the conclusion that I must either remain in darkness and confusion, or else I must do as James directs, that is, ask of God. I at length came to the determination to “ask of God,” concluding that if he gave wisdom to them that lacked wisdom, and would give liberally, and not upbraid, I might venture.
14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties

I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God.
Anyway, ...long story short nothing happened.
And like all thing in religion the onus is on YOU! and when God doesn't deliver or honour his promises then YOU are at fault.
God is perfect and unchanging!
