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Book Of Moses Versus Book of Abraham

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The best way to illustrate Joseph Smith's change of mind concerning the Godhead is to compare the Book of Moses with the Book of Abraham. Both of these books are printed in the Pearl of Great Price—one of the four standard works of the Mormon church. The Book of Abraham was supposed to have been given some years after the Book of Moses. Both books are supposed to contain a direct revelation concerning the creation of the world. While the Book of Moses states that "I, God" created the heavens and the earth, the Book of Abraham states that "they (the Gods)" created them.



Book of Moses


"... the Lord spake unto Moses saying: Behold I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the works which I speak....


Book of Abraham


"And the Lord said unto me: Abraham, I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words...



Book of Moses


"And I God, said: Let there be light; and there was light....


Book of Abraham


"And they (the Gods, said: Let there be light; and there was light....



Book of Moses


And I, God, called the dry land Earth....


Book of Abraham


And the Gods pronounced the dry land, earth....





Book of Moses


And I, God, made the beasts of the earth after their kind....


Book of Abraham


And the Gods organized the earth to bring forth the beasts after their kind....



Book of Moses


And I, the Lord God, planted a garden eastward in Eden...."


Book of Abraham


And the Gods planted a garden in Eden...."





(Moses 2:1, 3, 10, 25; 3:8)





(Abraham 3:15; 4:3, 10, 25; 5:8)





What's interesting how Joseph Smith JR departed from the Biblical formular of the creation from singular God, plural persons of the Trinity

Gen. 1 :
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1 Thess. 5:
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

notice how God made man in his image, man like the Godhead is three.

Gen 11:
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Isa 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me." ( The speaker is the LORD himself ,cf verse 12)

Duet 6: 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. " Here the word 'one' is ECHOD in Hebrew, meaning composite unity, or plural oness.

Gen 2:.
24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." same word is used here, ECHOD.

Mark 12: 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.
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Mittens wrote: The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.


If God is omnipotent why can't he be both?
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Mittens wrote: The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.


If God is omnipotent why can't he be both?


Thanks, my head hurts and green stuff has just dribbled out of my ears...
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Mittens wrote:The best way to illustrate Joseph Smith's change of mind concerning the Godhead is to compare the Book of Moses with the Book of Abraham. Both of these books are printed in the Pearl of Great Price—one of the four standard works of the Mormon church. The Book of Abraham was supposed to have been given some years after the Book of Moses. Both books are supposed to contain a direct revelation concerning the creation of the world. While the Book of Moses states that "I, God" created the heavens and the earth, the Book of Abraham states that "they (the Gods)" created them.

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The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.



If God is consistent (and everyone says He is) then these inconsistencies lead one to the conclusion that God wasn't the person speaking to Joseph Smith when the latter penned (orated?) the Book of Moses or the Book of Abraham. Either that or Joseph didn't listen so well.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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Bazooka wrote:
Mittens wrote:The best way to illustrate Joseph Smith's change of mind concerning the Godhead is to compare the Book of Moses with the Book of Abraham. Both of these books are printed in the Pearl of Great Price—one of the four standard works of the Mormon church. The Book of Abraham was supposed to have been given some years after the Book of Moses. Both books are supposed to contain a direct revelation concerning the creation of the world. While the Book of Moses states that "I, God" created the heavens and the earth, the Book of Abraham states that "they (the Gods)" created them.

<snip>

The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.



If God is consistent (and everyone says He is) then these inconsistencies lead one to the conclusion that God wasn't the person speaking to Joseph Smith when the latter penned (orated?) the Book of Moses or the Book of Abraham. Either that or Joseph didn't listen so well.



I would say Joseph Smith JR made everything up and had help from the god of this world :


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1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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Mittens wrote:I would say Joseph Smith JR made everything up


The balance of evidence certainly lends credence to your view...
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Mittens wrote: The Bible always teaches singular God Plural persons, Joseph Smith in Book of Moses taught singular God singular person. In the Book of Abraham Joseph Smith taught plural persons, plural gods.


If God is omnipotent why can't he be both?

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