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Forgiveness.
I am curious what Doctrine, particular to any faith, one could put forth to resolve the following question:

Obviously Adam's "original sin" was not atoned for, not forgiven, nor pardoned by the work of Jesus Christ....why not?

subgenius wrote:Forgiveness.
I am curious what Doctrine, particular to any faith, one could put forth to resolve the following question:

Obviously Adam's "original sin" was not atoned for, not forgiven, nor pardoned by the work of Jesus Christ....why not?

First, I think you would need to say why you think this is "obvious".

madeleine wrote:

subgenius wrote:Forgiveness.
I am curious what Doctrine, particular to any faith, one could put forth to resolve the following question:

Obviously Adam's "original sin" was not atoned for, not forgiven, nor pardoned by the work of Jesus Christ....why not?

First, I think you would need to say why you think this is "obvious".

arguably the fruit from the tree of knowledge is still in effect and Eden still has the velvet rope up.

If we accept Adam as 'figurative' the dilemma seems to disappear...

subgenius wrote:

madeleine wrote:
First, I think you would need to say why you think this is "obvious".

arguably the fruit from the tree of knowledge is still in effect and Eden still has the velvet rope up.

You lost me, which granted, isn't hard to do.

Bazooka wrote:If we accept Adam as 'figurative' the dilemma seems to disappear...

how so?
are you suggesting that his sin would then be figurative and not under the jurisdiction of the atonement?
would this not apply to his sons as well (Cain), they necessarily being "figurative".

madeleine wrote:You lost me, which granted, isn't hard to do.

well, i suppose my question begs clarification in response with regards to
1. The gross and net result from the atonement of Jesus Christ.
2. How this result would apply to the original sin.

If Christ earned the forgiveness for the original sin then its punishment would be no longer, correct?
If the punishment continues then was the sin forgiven?

There really is no such thing as sin except as a construct for control by one group over another. Religious leaders who use it to make a living off other people.

There is doing things that hurt others and ourselves, which experience teach us is wrong because it is harmful.

But "sin"? No such thing.

ZelphtheGreat wrote:There really is no such thing as sin except as a construct for control by one group over another. Religious leaders who use it to make a living off other people.

There is doing things that hurt others and ourselves, which experience teach us is wrong because it is harmful.

But "sin"? No such thing.

People like you are destructive to the moral fabric of society.

Nelson Chung wrote:

ZelphtheGreat wrote:There really is no such thing as sin except as a construct for control by one group over another. Religious leaders who use it to make a living off other people.

There is doing things that hurt others and ourselves, which experience teach us is wrong because it is harmful.

But "sin"? No such thing.

People like you are destructive to the moral fabric of society.

How?