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First off, are multiple wives in heaven required for God to make all the spirit babies?

If it's just to divide the burden of pregnancy amongst more wombs, then we need to ask the questions:

1) Is the number of God's spirit offspring finite or infinite?
2) Is the number of God's wives finite or infinite?

Because, though it may not seem logical at first blush, if God's spirit offspring are infinite, but his wives are finite, then marrying multiple wives does not actually divide the burden of pregnancy to lessen it for any particular wife. Ask Tarski or EAllusion if you don't get why, but the short version is that infinite divided by finite is still infinite.

So, Droopster, do you believe in infinite God offspring? Infinite or finite wives? And why?

Did you stop and think that a new celestial God might want some variety if He is expected to copulate that frequently?

If the answer is infinite, then Temple patrons are fighting an increasingly unwinable battle...

you are making assumptions that necessarily need clarification:

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing a process for which God produces spirit children?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing, or implying, that there are spirit babies? and then presumably spirit toddlers?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" is burdensome?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs in a womb?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs at all? are you also presupposing that there is a gestation period?

and finally

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit 'offspring' are measured discretely instead of continuously?

subgenius wrote:you are making assumptions that necessarily need clarification:

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing a process for which God produces spirit children?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing, or implying, that there are spirit babies? and then presumably spirit toddlers?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" is burdensome?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs in a womb?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs at all? are you also presupposing that there is a gestation period?

and finally

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit 'offspring' are measured discretely instead of continuously?

Most of the answers you seek can be found through a careful, prayerful, studying of this statement of principle:

The Eternal Family
Families can be together forever. To enjoy this blessing we must be married in the temple. When people are married outside the temple, the marriage ends when one of the partners dies. When we are married in the temple by the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood, we are married for time and eternity. If we keep our covenants with the Lord, our families will be united eternally as husband, wife, and children. Death cannot separate us.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... l?lang=eng

Bazooka wrote:

subgenius wrote:you are making assumptions that necessarily need clarification:

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing a process for which God produces spirit children?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing, or implying, that there are spirit babies? and then presumably spirit toddlers?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" is burdensome?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs in a womb?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs at all? are you also presupposing that there is a gestation period?

and finally

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit 'offspring' are measured discretely instead of continuously?

Most of the answers you seek can be found through a careful, prayerful, studying of this statement of principle:

The Eternal Family
Families can be together forever. To enjoy this blessing we must be married in the temple. When people are married outside the temple, the marriage ends when one of the partners dies. When we are married in the temple by the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood, we are married for time and eternity. If we keep our covenants with the Lord, our families will be united eternally as husband, wife, and children. Death cannot separate us.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... l?lang=eng

Sort of ironic that Sub uses the LDS lack of coherence on the nature of God as a defense against questions regarding that nature. We are supposed to spend our earthy lives pursuing a goal that we can't even explain clearly. So when we die and receive that reward, how do we know the reward we're given is what was promised us, since we never understood it in the first place?

Sub dies and shows up to heaven as a faithful believer. He is given a name tag, brought into a building called the 'Spirit Factory", pointed toward a chair in front of a lever, and told to sit in the chair and pull the lever every ten seconds for eternity, because that is how spirit babies are really made. It is not important how the lever works because that's the beauty of eternal rewards, you don't have to understand them to enjoy them . . . somehow.

You can't prove my scenario is wrong any more than any other one that you care to dream up.

Fence,

You have to keep in mind that subgenius believes in a religion that believes a person who, in this life, ignores that religion completely has a better chance of achieving Mormon Top Heaven in the next life. I don't think "making sense" is in the top ten list of 'things to do' for Mormonism right now.

Bazooka wrote:Fence,

You have to keep in mind that subgenius believes in a religion that believes a person who, in this life, ignores that religion completely has a better chance of achieving Mormon Top Heaven in the next life. I don't think "making sense" is in the top ten list of 'things to do' for Mormonism right now.

I get that, but I find it ironic when believers use a defense that basically says, since we can't explain it clearly your questions don't make sense.

It's just another way to moving the conversation from the problem (just what do we expect in the after life?) to blaming the questioner for a lack of clarity inherent in the religion itself.

Here Sub is trying to shift the responsibility of explaining what he believes to someone else.

Were we to reply to him in kind we could merely claim that he cannot disprove any of our explanations so we are fully justified in holding them until proven otherwise.

Sub,

How are spirits made?

Bazooka wrote:

subgenius wrote:you are making assumptions that necessarily need clarification:

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing a process for which God produces spirit children?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing, or implying, that there are spirit babies? and then presumably spirit toddlers?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" is burdensome?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs in a womb?

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit "pregnancy" occurs at all? are you also presupposing that there is a gestation period?

and finally

by what reference or reasoning are you proposing that spirit 'offspring' are measured discretely instead of continuously?

Most of the answers you seek can be found through a careful, prayerful, studying of this statement of principle:

The Eternal Family
Families can be together forever. To enjoy this blessing we must be married in the temple. When people are married outside the temple, the marriage ends when one of the partners dies. When we are married in the temple by the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood, we are married for time and eternity. If we keep our covenants with the Lord, our families will be united eternally as husband, wife, and children. Death cannot separate us.

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... l?lang=eng

whatever you posted has nothing to do with the OP, you are making references to post-existence not pre-existence...try again

Fence Sitter wrote:Sort of ironic that Sub uses the LDS lack of coherence on the nature of God as a defense against questions regarding that nature.

i did no such thing. The OP is making assumptions that have yet to be justified. And if left unjustified it renders the OP's "inquiries" as absurd and meaningless...without foundation.
At best it becomes an OP of loaded questions...at worst it just appears to be uninformed and juvenile.
The OP has not established that "pregnancy" occurs, occurs as a burden, or involves a womb...so to ask questions about who gets pregnant, who shares the burden, and which wiccan eats the placenta is tantamount to trolling.

Fence Sitter wrote:We are supposed to spend our earthy lives pursuing a goal that we can't even explain clearly. So when we die and receive that reward, how do we know the reward we're given is what was promised us, since we never understood it in the first place?

in that circumstance, i think that would be called a leap of faith. however, it stands to reason that if you never understood it, you likely wont be getting it.

Fence Sitter wrote:Sub dies and shows up to heaven as a faithful believer. He is given a name tag, brought into a building called the 'Spirit Factory", pointed toward a chair in front of a lever, and told to sit in the chair and pull the lever every ten seconds for eternity, because that is how spirit babies are really made. It is not important how the lever works because that's the beauty of eternal rewards, you don't have to understand them to enjoy them . . . somehow.

there wont be name tags, silly....everyone will get cool airbrushed t-shirts, like from the beach.
nevertheless, if the question is about the genesis on a spirit or spirits then that could have been asked in a way more tactful and less condescending manner. The OP should be content to harvest from that which it has sown.

Fence Sitter wrote:You can't prove my scenario is wrong any more than any other one that you care to dream up.

I do not have to prove your scenario wrong, but for yourself...you would need to prove it right.